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JLGO · 11-20-2020, 05:16 PM

[QUOTE=InFiD3ViL;10905676]All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS.

So what is an L99 called after the DOD system is deleted and the VVT kept?

hunter1660 · 11-20-2020, 06:05 PM

I love my sleeper

Plastik · 11-20-2020, 06:26 PM

Haters gonna hate. Its not a Zl1 or a McClaren... It is exactly what it is.

InFiD3ViL · 11-20-2020, 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=JLGO;10905759]

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS.

So what is an L99 called after the DOD system is deleted and the VVT kept?

An L99 with AFM deleted and VVT kept lol.

I have seen people get in arguments here about calling an LS3 converted L99 an LS3. I don't care either way, definitely not enough to argue with someone. If it was me I would just be proud of my L99 being whatever I made it into, but that's just me. It's all just words imo.

Marotrent · 11-20-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS.

I guess what I am saying is...yes, in stock form the L99 leaves a lot to be desired - Especially when compared to the stock Coyote, 392, even the Dodge 5.7 (that one hurts). Once modded the L99 can be just as potent as any equally modded LS3, 4.065 inch bored LY6, L94, etc... part for part. I bought my L99 powered SS in totally stock form. It felt quick when I got it...until I went up against some other cars. That is when I said 'Is that all you've got?!'. I was not only surprised, I was actually kinda let down. But that was quickly remedied with $$$.

The problem I have noticed is that somehow the L99 only gets judged in stock form (maybe rightfully so), while that doesn't seem to apply as much to everyone else. I think I am wording this poorly, but I think you all can figure out what I mean. It isn't just the L99 itself that is at fault in stock form. The ECM and TCM tunes are major contributing factors to this. I really think GM dropped the ball on the stock L99 when compared to the LS3, which can primarily be blamed on the AFM and requirement to meet CAFE standards. Lower compression, lower redline (heavier valvetrain), smaller cam profile, and a poorly optimized tune really handicapped it from the start. They castrated the L99 car from the beginning.

I 100% understand what you mean. When I got mines it felt quick until lining up with some newer cars and then I knew I had to start modding it.

Chris49066SS · 11-20-2020, 07:49 PM

[QUOTE=InFiD3ViL;10905823]

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Originally Posted by JLGO

An L99 with AFM deleted and VVT kept lol.

I have seen people get in arguments here about calling an LS3 converted L99 an LS3. I don't care either way, definitely not enough to argue with someone. If it was me I would just be proud of my L99 being whatever I made it into, but that's just me. It's all just words imo.

Exactly. Different head castings, lighter hollow stem valves, different oil pump, different SCR, different cam, different vin lol J instead of a W. I'm a happy L99 guy. The reason why is all in my sig!

TheFlyingBananaSS · 11-20-2020, 07:58 PM

What I post my next time slips in the 10's we can all talk about how terrible the L99 is

Some people just like to say I have a LS3 or LS7, the L99 is slow. I guess it fills their egos. I definitely shocked a few peeps at the racetrack when they found out my car is a VVT L99.

1JEWLDSSRS · 11-20-2020, 07:58 PM

You L99 GUYS ROCK!!! I also love my L99, convert. lol. Still I call it an L99 when folks ask at the shows, because she still is, only the top parts have been changed. I get from the LS3 guys sometimes, but it isn't an LS3! So I just tell them that I will out run you AND out shift you. When they hear what I'm running, they usually back off. lol. As far as I see it, she is more fun to drive that an LS3 stick car. Love love love her!!

102SS · 11-20-2020, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marotrent

There's a lot of hate around the 5th gen camaro on YouTube mainly 6th gen owners, but especially people hating on the L99s. On YouTube all you see if 5th gen L99s are slow. Me owning a 2011 L99 full bolt on I know they aren't slow but sheesh were did they get this reputation from?

26 HP man.....it makes a world of difference

I almost got into the 12's stock

InFiD3ViL · 11-20-2020, 09:43 PM

I adore the LS3 I swapped into my car, but my OG L99 is sitting on a stand in the living room, nicely wrapped and fogged to keep her safe and warm. I have very big plans for it and intend to rebuild and then reunite it back where it belongs...under my hood. I don't think matching numbers is really a thing anymore with these cars (no VIN stamping), but I would love to have the original block back in her. I just wish I hadn't already sold the 823's.

Crankshaft · 11-26-2020, 05:53 PM

All the crap i have ever gotten is from people who don't own anything worth lining up to, my best friend has a 2014 Mustang GT, we have never raced but he has been in my car after the LT, tune and exhaust was done and mentioned it was faster than his car(Roush exhaust). All i know my car although i have had regrets of buying it at times is alot faster than what i ever need; currently have a GPI SS2, Circle D 3200, 3.91 and a Vararam waiting to go in once i get the courage and dedication to get started. Only problem now is that the longer i wait to install the more sh*t i keep buying, with all this black friday deals that 150 shot nitrous outlet kit is looking damn tempting.

BLU DUCE · 11-26-2020, 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=InFiD3ViL;10905823]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLGO

An L99 with AFM deleted and VVT kept lol.

I have seen people get in arguments here about calling an LS3 converted L99 an LS3. I don't care either way, definitely not enough to argue with someone. If it was me I would just be proud of my L99 being whatever I made it into, but that's just me. It's all just words imo.

+1

hammdo · 11-26-2020, 09:24 PM

My L99 had a baby and became a stroked SC, E85,Meth inducted 416 LSA ;o)

-Don

lemontwist · 11-26-2020, 10:42 PM

L99-LS3 whatever.... the real difference to me is the trans and the rear gearing. stock motor for motor throw a 3.42 in a auto car and it will kick a manual ass.
i have had both the stick was more fun but the auto is a better daily. stock on paper speed wise they are a even match, that being said dod sucks.
off topic,my L99 tuned with dod turned off is the same MPG'S as i did with my "tuned" LS3 car.

11-20-2020, 05:16 PM	#15
JLGO Drives: 2015 Camaro SS convertible L99 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 245	[QUOTE=InFiD3ViL;10905676]All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS. So what is an L99 called after the DOD system is deleted and the VVT kept? __________________ Corsa CAI w/Donalson Power Filter, BBK 1 7/8 headers, MF resonator, custom exhaust with Legato mufflers, mildly ported heads, TSP VVT 3.2 cam (whole package), 3.91 1LE gears, Circle D 3200 stall torque converter, B&M power cooler tranny cooler. Tuned by Casey TSP's tuner. 1/4 12.16 117mph with stock tires at 20 psi.

11-20-2020, 06:05 PM	#16
hunter1660 Drives: 2011ss/rs camaro Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: florida Posts: 1,261	I love my sleeper __________________ . OBX LTH,Rotofab,Magnuson Heartbeat.AEM wideband, HP Tuners

11-20-2020, 07:58 PM	#21
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	What I post my next time slips in the 10's we can all talk about how terrible the L99 is Some people just like to say I have a LS3 or LS7, the L99 is slow. I guess it fills their egos. I definitely shocked a few peeps at the racetrack when they found out my car is a VVT L99. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

11-20-2020, 07:58 PM	#22
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,426	You L99 GUYS ROCK!!! I also love my L99, convert. lol. Still I call it an L99 when folks ask at the shows, because she still is, only the top parts have been changed. I get from the LS3 guys sometimes, but it isn't an LS3! So I just tell them that I will out run you AND out shift you. When they hear what I'm running, they usually back off. lol. As far as I see it, she is more fun to drive that an LS3 stick car. Love love love her!! __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

11-20-2020, 09:43 PM	#24
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,570	I adore the LS3 I swapped into my car, but my OG L99 is sitting on a stand in the living room, nicely wrapped and fogged to keep her safe and warm. I have very big plans for it and intend to rebuild and then reunite it back where it belongs...under my hood. I don't think matching numbers is really a thing anymore with these cars (no VIN stamping), but I would love to have the original block back in her. I just wish I hadn't already sold the 823's. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

11-20-2020, 06:26 PM	#17
Plastik Drives: 2011 Camaro 2ss Convertible Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Birmingham alabama Posts: 52 View My Garage	Haters gonna hate. Its not a Zl1 or a McClaren... It is exactly what it is.

11-26-2020, 05:53 PM	#25
Crankshaft Drives: 2011 Chevrolet Camaro ss Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Land of Whataburger Posts: 98	All the crap i have ever gotten is from people who don't own anything worth lining up to, my best friend has a 2014 Mustang GT, we have never raced but he has been in my car after the LT, tune and exhaust was done and mentioned it was faster than his car(Roush exhaust). All i know my car although i have had regrets of buying it at times is alot faster than what i ever need; currently have a GPI SS2, Circle D 3200, 3.91 and a Vararam waiting to go in once i get the courage and dedication to get started. Only problem now is that the longer i wait to install the more sh*t i keep buying, with all this black friday deals that 150 shot nitrous outlet kit is looking damn tempting. __________________ download by , on Flickr

11-26-2020, 09:24 PM	#27
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	My L99 had a baby and became a stroked SC, E85,Meth inducted 416 LSA ;o) -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

11-26-2020, 10:42 PM	#28
lemontwist Drives: 12 2SS/RS L99,11 2SS/RS LS3totaled Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: mooresville nc Posts: 1,048	L99-LS3 whatever.... the real difference to me is the trans and the rear gearing. stock motor for motor throw a 3.42 in a auto car and it will kick a manual ass. i have had both the stick was more fun but the auto is a better daily. stock on paper speed wise they are a even match, that being said dod sucks. off topic,my L99 tuned with dod turned off is the same MPG'S as i did with my "tuned" LS3 car. Last edited by lemontwist; 11-27-2020 at 01:49 PM.