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Old 02-02-2023, 06:14 PM   #1
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What If Cadillac Made A 2025 CT-V Coupe Out Of The Camaro?

This just showed up in an e-mail.

https://www.gminsidenews.com/threads...9#post-7373292

This story contains independently made renderings that are neither related to nor endorsed by GM or Cadillac.

As we all know, Cadillac is committed to leading GM’s electric revolution and must, therefore, bid farewell to the likes of the CT4 and CT5 as they currently exist. But what if the automaker wanted to send the cars off with a proper farewell? What if it made one last internal combustion coupe?

We called upon the digital AI tech oracles to find out what a V-series coupe might look like if it were more heavily inspired by the Camaro, with which the CT4 and CT5 share their underpinnings. And the results are kinda neat.

Taking inspiration from Cadillacs new and old while slapping the design cues onto the Camaro’s rough outline makes for an eye-catching creation. The black and gold livery does undercut the Cadillac-ness of the concept a little, while adding in some distinctive “Smokey and the Bandit” flair – which I doubt many will object to.




Moving a layer deeper than the paint, though, it’s interesting to see how the Camaro’s headlights combine rather well with the Lyriq’s vertical lighting elements. Although it could turn into a bit of a mishmash, it works here.

It’s also interesting to see the rear end, with lots of attention going to the roofline and the taillights. There’s something somehow Batmobilesque about the octuple exhaust outlets in of the sketches below, which I say with only admiration.

It should perhaps not come as a surprise that I, an enthusiast, think a coupe looks good, but I can’t deny that these renderings appeal to me. They suggest that rather than messing around with the Corvette for the XLR, maybe Cadillac should have been working more closely with the Camaro.
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Old 02-02-2023, 06:25 PM   #2
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That looks cool , if that comes to reality, it would be EV , Cadillac will be all EV in 2025 , if I understood the GM Engineers I talked too , this last Saturday in the Chevrolet Performance booth at Barrett Jackson. 2024 is the final year for our Beloved Camaro, it's the Cadillac assembly plant and they need the room , don't know if that the reason , I didn't ask .
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Old 02-02-2023, 06:28 PM   #3
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Almost every post in that thread was complaining about Camaro visibility. The Camaro is a drivers car. If you are bad at driving, it isn't for you. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us Camaro owners), most people are crappy drivers and need all the visibility they can get to keep from curbing wheels, backing into poles, and powering off the road in general. Like mustang owners.

We can see too far.
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Old 02-02-2023, 07:00 PM   #5
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Almost every post in that thread was complaining about Camaro visibility. The Camaro is a drivers car. If you are bad at driving, it isn't for you. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us Camaro owners), most people are crappy drivers and need all the visibility they can get to keep from curbing wheels, backing into poles, and powering off the road in general. Like mustang owners.

We can see too far.
And you’ve just explained why Camaro sales didn’t support a Gen7. It requires perfect drivers to overcome its biggest flaw.

And is it hard believing in an idea that requires millions of people to lie? Asking for a friend.
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Old 02-02-2023, 07:03 PM   #6
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And you’ve just explained why Camaro sales didn’t support a Gen7. It requires perfect drivers to overcome its biggest flaw.



And is it hard believing in an idea that requires millions of people to lie? Asking for a friend.
Not a lie if the person telling it believes it to be true, I guess. I don't go into towns or cities very often, but drivers are getting dumber by the day. It's dangerous to be in traffic.

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Old 02-02-2023, 07:14 PM   #7
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based on the tail lights and angle of the back glass, the trunk opening would be like an even smaller vertical orientation of what we already have.
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Almost every post in that thread was complaining about Camaro visibility. The Camaro is a drivers car. If you are bad at driving, it isn't for you. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us Camaro owners), most people are crappy drivers and need all the visibility they can get to keep from curbing wheels, backing into poles, and powering off the road in general. Like mustang owners.

We can see too far.
Lol saw a totaled one on the back of a trailer on the way home from work today.. poor coyote.. that’s the 4th I’ve seen totaled on my 15min commute to work since my new location.. poor fellas just searching for grip on this weather
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Lol saw a totaled one on the back of a trailer on the way home from work today.. poor coyote.. that’s the 4th I’ve seen totaled on my 15min commute to work since my new location.. poor fellas just searching for grip on this weather
Hard out here for a ford.

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Why do all car renders have those stupid ****ing wheels that have no suspension play in them. Can't they just draw it akin to the stance a real car would have.
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Old 02-02-2023, 11:11 PM   #11
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And you’ve just explained why Camaro sales didn’t support a Gen7. It requires perfect drivers to overcome its biggest flaw.

And is it hard believing in an idea that requires millions of people to lie? Asking for a friend.
Hmm, I thought the biggest flaw was a full set of golf clubs not fitting in the trunk 😆

Aside from that, I'll play along and be just as stubborn as you are, the visibility issue is way overrated. I'm a mediocre driver and still never had a problem, it took 10-15 minutes to get used to the car.

The Camaro is definitely for people who enjoy driving, simply because the focus is on that and not messing with a giant touchscreen in the middle of the dash, nor relying on every single driving aid in existence, nor even hauling tons of cargo. This in itself may be reason enough that a 7th gen isn't coming for now, but of course it doesn't require "perfect drivers", come on.
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Agree arpad_m! My thinking is if you want better visibility then buy a truck or suv instead of a Camaro.
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Hmm, I thought the biggest flaw was a full set of golf clubs not fitting in the trunk 😆

Aside from that, I'll play along and be just as stubborn as you are, the visibility issue is way overrated. I'm a mediocre driver and still never had a problem, it took 10-15 minutes to get used to the car.

The Camaro is definitely for people who enjoy driving, simply because the focus is on that and not messing with a giant touchscreen in the middle of the dash, nor relying on every single driving aid in existence, nor even hauling tons of cargo. This in itself may be reason enough that a 7th gen isn't coming for now, but of course it doesn't require "perfect drivers", come on.
For me, that's the reason I didn't buy one when the Gen6 came out. But for others, visibility is a big drawback.

As I've said, it's the best car in it's segment and if performance alone were enough to sell in higher volumes we would likely have had a Z28 and a Gen7 (other than plant issue in taking Alpha Cadillacs electric).

The story I was told was instead of going to segment buyers and asking what could Chevy do get you to buy a Camaro, they went to a select group of Camaro enthusiasts and asked them. The car we got was the response to their answer........MORE!!!!!!!! And I can only imagine the posts back in 2016 if the Camaro came in 100 pounds heavier than it did making it heavier than a Mustang just to give it a bigger trunk, better day light opening and a more usable back seat (all things the Mustang has, the ONLY things the Mustang has, over a Camaro)

And btw, an ATS Coupe WAS the Cadillac Coupe off the Alpha and the V off that was outstanding (almost bought one certified used but it had a slight almost imperceptible crease along the door, would have been a big impulse buy). But you know what? The ATS Coupe, also off of the Alpha architecture could fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the trunk

Still hoping the Camaro comes back as an EV but one so good that it actually flips a few opinions on this sight.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:41 AM   #14
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I don't mind the way it looks but I wouldn't want to pay more for the Cadillac badge.

Visibility didn't hurt sales from 2010 - 2015. During that time the Camaro was referenced as a transformer, Scott Settlemire engaged with enthusiasts on this forum and overall GM cared about the product.

Ignoring your wife for years and then playing ignorant as to why things didn't work out is akin to what GM is doing with Camaro. Releasing it as an EV ensures it lacks key features that define the muscle car and instead of trying to compete in the segment they are trying to change what that segment of buyers should enjoy.
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