1LE vs My 2017 2ss Camaro - Page 2

Wyzz Kydd · 02-03-2023, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nos4you

Well said.

One thing not mentioned is that the 1LE has the PTM system. But if you only do daily driving and drag, it doesn't really matter.

It's been so long since I drove the 2016 SS I forgot about that difference.

Bad 1LE · 02-03-2023, 05:21 AM

As a well experienced drag racer, the 1LE wheel and tire combo are the exact opposite of optimal drag tires. You just need more sidewall give in a tire when you go drag racing. They'll work if you aren't hitting them really hard off the starting line, but the compound and lack of give will likely cause them to chatter. I haven't even bothered to go to the drag strip with my 1LE so I can't say for sure but typically these types of tires are miserable to use for the 1320 if you are trying to really get after it.

Wyzz Kydd · 02-03-2023, 05:40 AM

They definitely benefit from some give.

NewCamaroOrder · 02-16-2023, 01:05 PM

I have a 2017 2SS w/magnetic ride control. The suspension is dangerous and should not be sold this way. I went to GM Performance and bought the 1LE suspension upgrade kit for $1500. It comes with new coil springs (4), Larger sway bars front and rear, new rear control arms with urethane bushings, and they re-flash the magnetic ride control computer to work with the new hard parts. I also bought the shock tower brace. I picked the dealer I wanted to install the parts and paid for it. The total cost was $2100 installed. The dealer was mad because it took them a week to install everything back in 2017 and they were compelled to only charge me the negotiated price.

I measured the height of the car before and after and again after a year. Total height drop was one inch. When they flash the ride control computer it updates the system in Detroit and shows the new parts as factory equipment and fully covered by the cars warranty. And honestly, it's a different car. It goes were you want it to and handles like a dream. Next I put on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup PS4 tires and the car rode much nicer and literally had ten times the grip.

Best money I ever spent, at least on this car, lol.

bballshortstop03 · 02-18-2023, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NewCamaroOrder

I have a 2017 2SS w/magnetic ride control. The suspension is dangerous and should not be sold this way. I went to GM Performance and bought the 1LE suspension upgrade kit for $1500. It comes with new coil springs (4), Larger sway bars front and rear, new rear control arms with urethane bushings, and they re-flash the magnetic ride control computer to work with the new hard parts. I also bought the shock tower brace. I picked the dealer I wanted to install the parts and paid for it. The total cost was $2100 installed. The dealer was mad because it took them a week to install everything back in 2017 and they were compelled to only charge me the negotiated price.

I measured the height of the car before and after and again after a year. Total height drop was one inch. When they flash the ride control computer it updates the system in Detroit and shows the new parts as factory equipment and fully covered by the cars warranty. And honestly, it's a different car. It goes were you want it to and handles like a dream. Next I put on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup PS4 tires and the car rode much nicer and literally had ten times the grip.

Best money I ever spent, at least on this car, lol.

Im sure you considered michelin’s numerous different options in tires. What was the reason you chose the pilot sport cups as opposed to the pilot sport 4s, or the pilot super sports, or the pilot sport a/s 4.
Ive purchased a set of OEM 1LE wheels which differ in size compared to the SS stock size and im having a really tough time finding the right michelins for these wheels on my 2SS. Not even the dealership can give a definitive answer because between the 4 different michelin tires i just mentioned each have their own ratings and versions to choose from. I just purchased 2 michelin pilot sport 4s 305/30ZR/20 from rotolo chevrolet which are also run flats i guess and they have a 99Y rating which several ppl already have told me that is the wrong tire. Rotolo chevrolet didnt have an explanation for it and are claiming they have a no return on rubber policy. Im not worried about the return though, ill most definitely handle that. Im worried about finding the right michelin tires for my 1LE wheels on my 2SS. Ive seen a ton of ppl do that upgrade. Somebody plz point me in the right direction

arpad_m · 02-18-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bballshortstop03

Im sure you considered michelin’s numerous different options in tires. What was the reason you chose the pilot sport cups as opposed to the pilot sport 4s, or the pilot super sports, or the pilot sport a/s 4.
Ive purchased a set of OEM 1LE wheels which differ in size compared to the SS stock size and im having a really tough time finding the right michelins for these wheels on my 2SS. Not even the dealership can give a definitive answer because between the 4 different michelin tires i just mentioned each have their own ratings and versions to choose from. I just purchased 2 michelin pilot sport 4s 305/30ZR/20 from rotolo chevrolet which are also run flats i guess and they have a 99Y rating which several ppl already have told me that is the wrong tire. Rotolo chevrolet didnt have an explanation for it and are claiming they have a no return on rubber policy. Im not worried about the return though, ill most definitely handle that. Im worried about finding the right michelin tires for my 1LE wheels on my 2SS. Ive seen a ton of ppl do that upgrade. Somebody plz point me in the right direction

There's no "right" or "wrong" in terms of runflat vs non-runflat tires, it's a matter of taste and preference. Some people (including myself) don't like the harsher and noisier ride of runflats, others prioritize the ability to drive 50 miles on them even when punctured.

The PS4S 305/30ZR/20 you mention is a correct size for the 11" wide rear SS 1LE wheels, runflat or not.

The 99 load index of the runflat version is the same as stock. While the same sized non-runflat PS4S has a better load index (103), it's no big deal, this is a sports car and you most likely won't load an individual tire even to 99 (1709 lbs), let alone to 103 (1929 lbs).

For normal street and daily driving purposes, which I assume is your goal, I would choose 285/30/20 and 305/30/20 non-runflat PS4S tires for the front and rear, respectively. These are the best overall high performance summer tires all things considered (along with the Continental ExtremeContact Sport and maybe the Bridgestone Potenza). There are superior options in terms of raw straight line acceleration and cornering precision, but those are typically highly compromised in other areas such as hydroplaning, cold/wet traction, treadwear and/or ride quality.

bballshortstop03 · 02-19-2023, 02:15 PM

Perfect explanation bud. Thanks. Which load rating do the pilot sport 4s 285/30/20 non runflat have? (Front tires obviously)

arpad_m · 02-19-2023, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bballshortstop03

Perfect explanation bud. Thanks. Which load rating do the pilot sport 4s 285/30/20 non runflat have? (Front tires obviously)

No problem at all. Here you go, it's 99 for the fronts and 103 for the rears:

(BTW all these tires have become so fricken expensive

)

bballshortstop03 · 02-19-2023, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by arpad_m

No problem at all. Here you go, it's 99 for the fronts and 103 for the rears:

(BTW all these tires have become so fricken expensive

)

Tell me about it bud! Should I post the 1LE wheel price tag also? I better not bro lmao ��
Thnx for ur help man. Im telling you im in socal and not one parts department here could even slightly make any sense of what you just clarified. ��

arpad_m · 02-19-2023, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bballshortstop03

Tell me about it bud! Should I post the 1LE wheel price tag also? I better not bro lmao ��
Thnx for ur help man. Im telling you im in socal and not one parts department here could even slightly make any sense of what you just clarified. ��

Sure thing, and good luck with the new wheel/tire combo

I know what genuine 1LE wheels go for, I was fortunate to score a used set from a member here at a very reasonable price. Crazy times.

NewCamaroOrder · 02-20-2023, 05:28 PM

Apologies if I indicated the wrong tire. I meant the PS4S.

I chose this tire because I do mostly street driving. This tire offers really good traction and decent wet weather traction. I also live in SoCal. The Sport Cup tires have great traction but are closer to ice skates in wet weather. I might use these if I were doing track days or if I only drove the car when the weather was nice. I used mine as a daily driver for the first couple of years. So driving in the rain was an important consideration to me.

I also went with the non-run flats. I find that the stiff sidewall greatly reduces the tires ability to communicate that its about to lose traction. The side wall flex can be felt in your butt dyno. Over time you develop an understanding about how much flex your sidewall provides before loss of traction. In my opinion the run flats don't communicate at all. They go from 100% grip to 0% grip instantly. I also prefer the ride you get with a traditional side wall tire. This is also why the rear control arm rubber bushings were terrible. They communicated loss of traction before it actually happened because they flexed so much. The 1LE urethane bushings don't flex like rubber bushings and thus communicate more accurate information to the driver.

Hopefully, this makes sense. I tried to explain a fairly abstract driving technique in very simple terms. I'm sure many on this forum understand this completely. This is incase some don't. Ever wonder why race cars all have fairly large side wall tires and not the ultra tiny side walls that some of the import cars run/ran? Without the side wall they would never know when the tire was about to break traction. The flex in the side is how a tire communicates.

As previously mentioned, most of this is based on personnel preference. So tire selection comes down to how you intend to use the car and your tire preference for that activity.

NewCamaroOrder · 02-20-2023, 05:48 PM

Here's a question for the "Proper" 1LE cars out there. Don't the 1LE cars come with 19" rims from the factory? Maybe it depends on the year, I'm not sure. I was under the impression that the factory 1LE cars came with 19" rims that are wider than stock 20" rims. They were supposed to be better for road courses.

I mention this because the above tire information is for 20" rims. If I'm incorrect, apologies. But if the correct rims are 19" and you buy tires for 20" rims it would mostly suck. I would think.

Thanks for the info!

SHessler · 02-20-2023, 05:58 PM

Simplified, there are 2 types of G6 1LE's. The SS 1LE and the ZL 1LE. The SS based cars have 20" wheels.

NewCamaroOrder · 02-20-2023, 06:01 PM

After looking around the forum it appears that the Gen 6, 1LE does and always has come with 20" rims. I must have read about guys switching to 19" rims in the Road Course/Track and Autocross section.

Apologies to all! My heart was in the right place but my mind was lost in the either of subspace.

02-03-2023, 05:21 AM	#16
Bad 1LE Drives: Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: MA Posts: 62	As a well experienced drag racer, the 1LE wheel and tire combo are the exact opposite of optimal drag tires. You just need more sidewall give in a tire when you go drag racing. They'll work if you aren't hitting them really hard off the starting line, but the compound and lack of give will likely cause them to chatter. I haven't even bothered to go to the drag strip with my 1LE so I can't say for sure but typically these types of tires are miserable to use for the 1320 if you are trying to really get after it. __________________ 2022 2SS 1LE, 6MT, Black, PDR, Sunroof, Nav, Alloy Pedals, SS Console Lid, Black Camaro Fender Emblems. Last edited by Bad 1LE; 02-03-2023 at 07:42 AM.

02-03-2023, 05:40 AM	#17
Wyzz Kydd Banned Drives: 2018 Camaro SS1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,595	They definitely benefit from some give. Attached Images

02-20-2023, 05:58 PM	#27
SHessler Drives: 2021 1SS 1LE [Shock] Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 66	Simplified, there are 2 types of G6 1LE's. The SS 1LE and the ZL 1LE. The SS based cars have 20" wheels. __________________ I admit it, I like Mustangs. Ex Spec Miata driver.

02-16-2023, 01:05 PM	#18
NewCamaroOrder Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Nightfall Gray 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 86	I have a 2017 2SS w/magnetic ride control. The suspension is dangerous and should not be sold this way. I went to GM Performance and bought the 1LE suspension upgrade kit for $1500. It comes with new coil springs (4), Larger sway bars front and rear, new rear control arms with urethane bushings, and they re-flash the magnetic ride control computer to work with the new hard parts. I also bought the shock tower brace. I picked the dealer I wanted to install the parts and paid for it. The total cost was $2100 installed. The dealer was mad because it took them a week to install everything back in 2017 and they were compelled to only charge me the negotiated price. I measured the height of the car before and after and again after a year. Total height drop was one inch. When they flash the ride control computer it updates the system in Detroit and shows the new parts as factory equipment and fully covered by the cars warranty. And honestly, it's a different car. It goes were you want it to and handles like a dream. Next I put on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup PS4 tires and the car rode much nicer and literally had ten times the grip. Best money I ever spent, at least on this car, lol.

02-19-2023, 02:15 PM	#21
bballshortstop03 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro 2SS Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: CA Posts: 3	Perfect explanation bud. Thanks. Which load rating do the pilot sport 4s 285/30/20 non runflat have? (Front tires obviously)

02-20-2023, 05:28 PM	#25
NewCamaroOrder Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Nightfall Gray 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 86	Apologies if I indicated the wrong tire. I meant the PS4S. I chose this tire because I do mostly street driving. This tire offers really good traction and decent wet weather traction. I also live in SoCal. The Sport Cup tires have great traction but are closer to ice skates in wet weather. I might use these if I were doing track days or if I only drove the car when the weather was nice. I used mine as a daily driver for the first couple of years. So driving in the rain was an important consideration to me. I also went with the non-run flats. I find that the stiff sidewall greatly reduces the tires ability to communicate that its about to lose traction. The side wall flex can be felt in your butt dyno. Over time you develop an understanding about how much flex your sidewall provides before loss of traction. In my opinion the run flats don't communicate at all. They go from 100% grip to 0% grip instantly. I also prefer the ride you get with a traditional side wall tire. This is also why the rear control arm rubber bushings were terrible. They communicated loss of traction before it actually happened because they flexed so much. The 1LE urethane bushings don't flex like rubber bushings and thus communicate more accurate information to the driver. Hopefully, this makes sense. I tried to explain a fairly abstract driving technique in very simple terms. I'm sure many on this forum understand this completely. This is incase some don't. Ever wonder why race cars all have fairly large side wall tires and not the ultra tiny side walls that some of the import cars run/ran? Without the side wall they would never know when the tire was about to break traction. The flex in the side is how a tire communicates. As previously mentioned, most of this is based on personnel preference. So tire selection comes down to how you intend to use the car and your tire preference for that activity.

02-20-2023, 05:48 PM	#26
NewCamaroOrder Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Nightfall Gray 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 86	Here's a question for the "Proper" 1LE cars out there. Don't the 1LE cars come with 19" rims from the factory? Maybe it depends on the year, I'm not sure. I was under the impression that the factory 1LE cars came with 19" rims that are wider than stock 20" rims. They were supposed to be better for road courses. I mention this because the above tire information is for 20" rims. If I'm incorrect, apologies. But if the correct rims are 19" and you buy tires for 20" rims it would mostly suck. I would think. Thanks for the info!

02-20-2023, 06:01 PM	#28
NewCamaroOrder Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Nightfall Gray 1LE Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 86	After looking around the forum it appears that the Gen 6, 1LE does and always has come with 20" rims. I must have read about guys switching to 19" rims in the Road Course/Track and Autocross section. Apologies to all! My heart was in the right place but my mind was lost in the either of subspace.

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