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12-08-2019, 06:07 AM | #4930 | |
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What you fail to understand is the 350R is still in high demand even throughout the 500 rollout and although not as high as previous years there are still markups. You are not seeing 6k - 10k discounts like other models. If dealers were panicking they would be heavily discounting.
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12-08-2019, 08:04 AM | #4931 | |
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Less so with the GT350 but it too is too much for the street. I am sure it feels lighter and more tossable than the GT500 and is very unique with that motor and the sound. And is more collectable I would think. I would love to own one but not as my daily. Beautiful car. I got bored with an auto in my ZL1, as great as it is. I grew up loving the manuals. So I can relate to that choice. Plus if you have plenty of cash no car will be your last until it is. Sample both.
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12-08-2019, 06:41 PM | #4932 | |
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12-08-2019, 09:50 PM | #4933 | |
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12-09-2019, 07:28 AM | #4934 | |
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about 7 grand less than a Z06 but a Z06 would stomp it in every arena but tons pof people love the GS and you can even option up a GS past base Z06 pricing. The answer is variety is the spice of life. To answer your question, I would have to drive both of them, whichever one made me smile more would get my money. My head right now tells me I would probably lean GT500 - and that is mostly because I have always been a straightline guy and never been on a road course. I don't know if I would appreciate the lighter feeling/better handling characteristics. If I was a track rat and loved the twisties I might feel different. I won't lie though, the thought of having a car that can rev past 8K, has a manual, that sweet exhaust sound and the fact there is still nothing like it would be tempting. Hell but I have also even said numerous times at this price point I would rather have a slower corvette than a faster Camaro/Mustang/Challenger simply because it's a corvette. All out objective performance sometimes isn't the only thing that matters Quote:
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12-09-2019, 12:50 PM | #4936 |
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"Or in the case of cars like a Vette vs a Camaro I could see someone being attracted to a Vette over a ZL1. But the GT350R and the GT500 are both Mustangs. If the SRT8 was the same price as a Hellcat or the Hellcat was the same price as the Redeye or a Nismo 370Z priced the same as a GTR then why would anyone pick the slower of the two? At the same price, and if both are on the lot at the same time, I don't see how or why anyone would walk past a GT500 and choose the R." That comparison does not apply to my statements because they are different cars from different manufacturers. The R and the 500 are both Mustangs. They have the same options and offerings. They have the same chassis, interior, dimensions, styling, etc. One costs more but performs less. The other performs better but has markups attached. So my assertion is that the R costs what it costs only because there is no other choice or option. Out of everyone on here that I asked, not one person can say that they would pick the R over the 500 if both cars were on the lot at the same time and at the same price. I said it many times and you love to argue it. Markups killed the Mustang pricing scheme. Ford took note how much people were willing to pay for the GT350(R). They then priced the GT500 according to that and factored in that people would pay markups for it as well. That allowed them to increase the price of the R to where it is actually more expensive than the GT500 MSRP to MSRP. And people will pay it because they have no choice now. It's either pay R MSRP and get a car that performs less than a cheaper Mustang, or pay insane markups for a GT500. |
12-09-2019, 12:54 PM | #4937 | |
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I drove one. Didn't care much for it. I was more influenced by how it doesn't accelerate like I would expect a car at that price to accelerate. I don't care about "cosmic gravitational feelings". That isn't what I pay for. Not $70K at least. Show me on paper what I'm getting out of the car. You can't. Because it doesn't exist. The R performs less than the 500 in everything. It doesn't offer anything different or better to justify the extra cost. You bought your R because you got it at a discounted price. You would not have bought it at MSRP because you do not think it is worth the price. That is why you waited as long as you did and searched around like you did to buy one. Yet you talk about how desirable these cars are. The most desirable car on the planet that has people willing to pay thousands over MSRP yet you waited quite a long time to get one with a discount. But we should take your word for it? Now I ask again, what am I getting for the extra money that the R costs over the 500? If I was at a dealership and both cars were there and I had all the stats and options in front of me, what does the R have that would make me choose it over the 500? |
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An N/A V8 and a manual transmission.
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12-09-2019, 01:39 PM | #4939 |
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Lower ADM. That's it. The R has a higher MSRP solely because it is the only Shelby reasonably available. Now unless for some reason a person just LOVES the Voodoo and absolutely has to have it for subjective reasons there is no other reason to get it over the 500 except that the 500 has ridiculous ADM.
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12-09-2019, 02:18 PM | #4940 | |
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I traded off a 12 Boss for 14 GT500 thinking I was upgrading all around. Looking back, I made a mistake. That Boss was a fun driver and handled better. The 14 GT500 had amenities and straight-line power that was hard to put down and a huge pucker factor in corners. I won't do that again. I'm keeping the R and if I gotta have a 2020 GT500, I'll get a lightly used one or a deal somewhere. Not in a hurry. My R will paid off late spring I estimate. As another poster already said, N/A engine that revs to the moon and is the best sound I've ever heard. The exhaust literally needs nothing. Precise smooth as butter manual trans. Power with balance. World class handling. Rarity, ~4k R's produced over 6 years. I'm set. I thoroughly enjoy it. Has it depreciated? Certainly. Everything in my price range does. I didn't buy it to store and look at it.
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If I was willing to spend 100k+ on it, then I'd go c7 Zr1 m7 all day. Now a manual gt500 for 75 to 85k would have my attention for sure.
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