[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Even at 51, I can still learn something new.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Competition doesn't matter when it comes to mustang. Yeah, sounds arrogant, but for whatever reason people just eat up specialty model mustangs...especially anything with the Shelby name.

How can you say that when clearly all these changes done to the GT are to keep up with the SS? And again, 99% of your time here is spent on a thread revolving around competition, lol!! There are way too many competitive vehicles out there that aren't demanding ADMs for these dealerships to get away with it. Unless the consumers are that dumb that they'll still buy the cars instead of holding out. Look at how many people have passed up the GT350(R) for ZL1s and Z06s or more expensive cars simply because the ADMs put the Shelby in price ranges of $90K+ exotics. LOL!! Well all I can do is speak for myself. Depending on what the GT500 comes with I'll be in line. But if there is even one markup then I'll be looking elsewhere...like a Z06, ZR1, GTR, R8, something like that.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Even at 51, I can still learn something new.

Well technically if you're at a Test and Tune night (as they call it up here in NJ), then it is true that it doesn't start timing you until you cross the beam. However, you get only 5 seconds before it actually DOES starts counting, lol!! So once the green light shows you have 5 seconds to start your run. If you go before the 5 seconds then it starts when you cross that beam. If you wait more than 5 seconds then each additional tenth of a second that you wait counts towards your time. I'm not sure if other tracks do it differently or whatever. There have been plenty of times where I sat at the green light and took a nice deep breath before starting my run. It is good to do that every now and then if you're looking to get the best possible time.


I'm gonna guess he did a mid to low 12. Like a 12.4.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How can you say that when clearly all these changes done to the GT are to keep up with the SS? And again, 99% of your time here is spent on a thread revolving around competition, lol!! There are way too many competitive vehicles out there that aren't demanding ADMs for these dealerships to get away with it. Unless the consumers are that dumb that they'll still buy the cars instead of holding out. Look at how many people have passed up the GT350(R) for ZL1s and Z06s or more expensive cars simply because the ADMs put the Shelby in price ranges of $90K+ exotics. LOL!! Well all I can do is speak for myself. Depending on what the GT500 comes with I'll be in line. But if there is even one markup then I'll be looking elsewhere...like a Z06, ZR1, GTR, R8, something like that.

This has nothing to do with the SS and GT, perhaps I should have clarified. This is only in regards to specialty mustangs.

The Shelby nameplate is an anomaly, plain and simple. People pay admin because they need to own what they believe will be a piece of history....and as long as Ford doesn't make too many, they should hold their value pretty well.

In regards to vehicle values, performance isn't the only determining factor.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well technically if you're at a Test and Tune night (as they call it up here in NJ), then it is true that it doesn't start timing you until you cross the beam. However, you get only 5 seconds before it actually DOES starts counting, lol!! So once the green light shows you have 5 seconds to start your run. If you go before the 5 seconds then it starts when you cross that beam. If you wait more than 5 seconds then each additional tenth of a second that you wait counts towards your time. I'm not sure if other tracks do it differently or whatever. There have been plenty of times where I sat at the green light and took a nice deep breath before starting my run. It is good to do that every now and then if you're looking to get the best possible time.


I'm gonna guess he did a mid to low 12. Like a 12.4.

11.89 bone stock pp car

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

This has nothing to do with the SS and GT, perhaps I should have clarified. This is only in regards to specialty mustangs.

The Shelby nameplate is an anomaly, plain and simple. People pay admin because they need to own what they believe will be a piece of history....and as long as Ford doesn't make too many, they should hold their value pretty well.

In regards to vehicle values, performance isn't the only determining factor.

Bullshit. People pay ADMs because they wanna make a buck and they think a car is a good investment. Notice when this started happening? Right after people saw how the Ford GT soared in value. Ever since then people have been trying to find the next car that would do it. They paid ADMs for the HC and it failed. They did the same thing for the GT350(R) and it ain't happening. They're trying to do it with the Demon and it ain't gonna happen. At some point people will stop being stupid and realize that a $20K markup on a $65K car is a horrible investment idea, lol!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

11.89 bone stock pp car

Yea I'm gonna call bullshit on that one.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea I'm gonna call bullshit on that one.

It would be nice to have a time slip right? Lol

[68fbjjz109]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Unlike GM, Ford already created a mess by adding the 350 into the mix. That put another car inbetween the GT and the GT500, which just increases cost.

Yes and no.

Variation does add cost. However models versus options are a much better way to go about that from a build variation process.

The amount of factory accessories, stripe kits, ect. you can order with a Camaro drives way more sequencing cost then an additional bucketed model.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Competition doesn't matter when it comes to mustang. Yeah, sounds arrogant, but for whatever reason people just eat up specialty model mustangs...especially anything with the Shelby name.

I dont mean to sound rude, its just lack of common sense. All these fools that paid ADM on non-R's and you can buy a lightly used one for $50K.

It's just illogical as hell!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I dont mean to sound rude, its just lack of common sense. All these fools that paid ADM on non-R's and you can buy a lightly used one for $50K.

It's just illogical as hell!

You are correct those who paid above MSRP are getting hammered now, just like the folks who paid the adjustments on the Z28s. Those who have to have the brand new introductions at MSRP or above will take a significant loss. Those who are patient and wait for the dealer discounts, or used depreciation will do much better.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 68fbjjz109

Yes and no.

Variation does add cost. However models versus options are a much better way to go about that from a build variation process.

The amount of factory accessories, stripe kits, ect. you can order with a Camaro drives way more sequencing cost then an additional bucketed model.

I think you missed my point however. Currently, the Mustang lineup goes like this...

GT350
GT
Ecoboost

If they add in the GT500 and change nothing else, it becomes like this..

GT500
GT350
GT
Ecoboost.


The Camaro lineup is simply SS or ZL1....no inbetween car. If Ford keeps the GT350 in production, its going to either have to take a price hit or its going to jack the price up on both the GT350 and the 500.

One of the earlier posters mentioned that they would expect the GT350 production to end, and I think that's probably the more realistic thing to happen. This eliminates a car between....

Chrysler has had a similar issue with the V8 models for their cars too...with the R/T, SRT8 392, Hellcat, and now the Demon...

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You are correct those who paid above MSRP are getting hammered now, just like the folks who paid the adjustments on the Z28s. Those who have to have the brand new introductions at MSRP or above will take a significant loss. Those who are patient and wait for the dealer discounts, or used depreciation will do much better.

Exactly!

Manufacturers can prevent these issues by just producing enough for demand.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I think you missed my point however. Currently, the Mustang lineup goes like this...

GT350
GT
Ecoboost

If they add in the GT500 and change nothing else, it becomes like this..

GT500
GT350
GT
Ecoboost.


The Camaro lineup is simply SS or ZL1....no inbetween car. If Ford keeps the GT350 in production, its going to either have to take a price hit or its going to jack the price up on both the GT350 and the 500.

One of the earlier posters mentioned that they would expect the GT350 production to end, and I think that's probably the more realistic thing to happen. This eliminates a car between....

Chrysler has had a similar issue with the V8 models for their cars too...with the R/T, SRT8 392, Hellcat, and now the Demon...

The Camaro lineup is LS, LT, SS, and ZL1 with 4 different engines. So technically GM is more complex than them.

Also what issues have Dodge had? They have been running a huge number of models for awhile. Currently it's, SXT, GT, R/T, R/T Scat Pack, T/A, SRT, Hellcat, and now Demon. That's not even including the Shaker trims and 392/5.7L options in some.