09-04-2018, 08:26 AM | #29 |
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We know that two next generations of Camaros are in the works, even though this is always subject to change.
Leaked Cadillac Coupe Renderings already hint better practical elements for Alpha 2 platform / 7th Gen Camaro (way bigger side Windows, hatch trunk, etc) - So it seems like GM is working on it. Camaro has the lowest Overall sales of the three, but has the highest average asking price and highest retail (not fleet) numbers. So it's not as bad as some people who can only look at overall sales numbers want it to be. Since the Camaro is my weekend warrior I actually don't care about visibility or a better trunk opening. I'm having more fun having a car performing like german stuff that is twice as expensive but with way better sound. I don't think the Camaro is doomed or is at a bad spot. 5th Gen was lead by the Camaro, 2015 everbody hyped the Mustang and now a lot of people look into the Challenger. Things will change, and I just hope Chevy will keep on focussing on making an awesome sportscar. For daily driving there are always better cars
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09-04-2018, 08:37 AM | #30 |
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Visibility encompasses more than just adjusting the mirrors. Some of us like to look out the side windows or the windscreen without the over truncated view. Some like to be able to see the traffic light and Not just hear the old, tired adjust your mirrors answer.
The stang and the chal have better side and forward views. I saw a picture of one of the designers in Calif. for the Camaro. He appeared to be below average height (5' 9" or so for a male). And not a large body size. Most people do not understand that half a foot in height also increases ones need for just more space around you. Here is hoping the C7 address this without making it into a sedan. And Now for the 'get use to it and I'm 6'6" , 250 and love it' posts. |
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Saving to buy one, but I know what I’m getting into and i know visibility won’t be like an accord. Also see below for consumer reports description Like seeing where you're going? Then the Camaro isn't for you. Outward visibility is so limited that it would offend Ray Charles. GM claims improvements over the last-generation Camaro, but these are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Thick windshield pillars, very short side windows, and enormous rear roof pillars all block your view. The rear package shelf is extremely high, reducing vision out of the rear window to a mere slit. |
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Go ahead and review MVSS 111. You will note it is for indirect vision or mirrors. The complaint in pretty much every review that you seem to want to discount is about direct vision. Again, a technical discussion with experience in the matter. Not slinging opinions or insults. Again, just because it's ok for you doesn't mean it's ok for others and you should be open minded enough to understand there are, in fact, other views on visibility. But I'm guessing that you resorted to insults that you aren't able to accept others view points.
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Geez, someone has a differing opinion and, bam, gets slammed. Not a good look, but I digress.
Is it an issue? Absolutely. TO SOME, not to others. There is no right or wrong. If someone is uncomfortable with it, they don't buy it. What's the issue? Because they don't sing the praises? The first time I checked out a '16 Gen 6, I got right out of the car, didn't even start it, and said, "This thing is terrible. Can't see out. Feels like you're in a tank." This was before the 1LE was released. Many months later, when the 1LE was released, I read the big Motor Trend comparo and was shocked at the results. I new I needed to take another look. This time, I wasn't so, umm, dumb. I adjusted the mirrors properly and raised the seat to max. I'm a bit vertically challenged. Bought the car on the spot. Is it a "thing"? Yes, for certain people. Was it even a thought for me after test driving? Absolutely not. 16 months and 12K miles. Haven't looked back, no pun intended.
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Wow. I though I was the only one having this issue. I went to 3 GM dealers around me and it was a bad experience with the 3 of them. I went to 2 ford dealers and both were an enjoyable experience.
Good thing I am able to go pass that to get the car I really want, but still, I can see alot of people cross shopping being turn off by that. |
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GM's car allocation formula sucks too. When I look at local dealerships, they have a lot of high level models, even for the SS and not a lot lower options models. eg. If I search in an area containing 22M people, there are no base SS 1SS models out there. They do weird things with pricing. Last month they had $4k off (CDN=$3k USD) for cash purchases for all cars. This month 1LS models don't have it, but 1LT do. The V6 is the better base engine, but they have very few of them out there and when they do they're in automatics and with $10k of options. |
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We all know it IS an issue, and it does affect peoples opinions = sales, but I've driven worse. My wife used to have a 2008 Eclipse. That car is a "kid" car, yet the visibility in that thing was just as bad but I never once read a complaint about it on line. You are correct, but this is also ignoring a real issue. Although I happen to enjoy the high beltline and the looks it gives, GM could design the next gen to have a slightly better outward view while still keeping the car as low as the current Camaro / Mustang.
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