Running Johnson lifters

[Risingson05]

So I found out from Johnson today and thought I’d Share .

Although they give specific preloads they also told me to add 10tho for expansion since our blocks are aluminum .

That’s for my 2116lsr . Hit zero lash add 45 tho to preload . 35 tho for lifter and additional 10tho for expansion .

[demonspeed]

I’ve got their link bar lifters and just went around 35. They’ve got a +/- 10 range for that anyway.

That said, I’ve not yet started my new engine, so we’ll see if it works

[acammer]

It will grow at least .010", maybe even more like .015". .035" is a pretty good place to be cold, although with .150" of preload travel the 2110R will definitely tolerate more without issue. Some of the OEM style lifters like LS7 and the GMPP "caddy" lifter get a little noise when they are light on preload, but the Johnson's tend to stay pretty quiet.

[Bo White]

Except I can hear the link bars but I've got a pretty good ear for things 😆
Also my 2116s didn't call for those specs.

[demonspeed]

Since we’re sharing boxes with numbers:

[acammer]

Originally Posted by Bo White

Except I can hear the link bars but I've got a pretty good ear for things 😆
Also my 2116s didn't call for those specs.

ST2116LSR's in the new Max Package - they are pretty quiet. I wouldn't call 'em silent, but I hear more noise through the headers than anything else.

[1JEWLDSSRS]

Originally Posted by acammer

ST2116LSR's in the new Max Package - they are pretty quiet. I wouldn't call 'em silent, but I hear more noise through the headers than anything else.

Sounds great, love the tag too!!

[Risingson05]

I’m running the same 2116 as demon speed . Those st are nice !

My pushrods from manton have shipped so should be installing them soon -

[Bo White]

Mine are preloaded to .025ish
A buddy's is preloaded to .035ish
His box showed .030 +/- .005 as well. Maybe these are older sets we have because another buddy just built his and the box he has read .035 +/- .010

[Risingson05]

My hot idle oil pressure is 33-35 psi but when I go wot I’m only showing 52-55 psi . I know that Johnson body diameters is alittle smaller than stock size so I was expecting alittle oil pressure loss .. Did the same to my cammed Sierra Denali ..

Cold start psi is 65-70 psi
I don’t see any shaving or nothing in my filter or pan plug or oil but was considering to jumping up to the next spring size for my melling pump ..(10355)

I know melling offers the spring that they put into the copo - copo runs johnson 2110 so I would think that would make sense to use but am afraid to run pan dry

I already have the bypass pan valve plugged in my pan .

You guys that are running Johnson lifter what’s your wot &idle pressure and have you changed spring in your pump ? If so ,no problems with running pan dry? Thank you

[acammer]

Originally Posted by Risingson05

My hot idle oil pressure is 33-35 psi but when I go wot I’m only showing 52-55 psi . I know that Johnson body diameters is alittle smaller than stock size so I was expecting alittle oil pressure loss .. Did the same to my cammed Sierra Denali ..

Cold start psi is 65-70 psi
I don’t see any shaving or nothing in my filter or pan plug or oil but was considering to jumping up to the next spring size for my melling pump ..(10355)

I know melling offers the spring that they put into the copo - copo runs johnson 2110 so I would think that would make sense to use but am afraid to run pan dry

I already have the bypass pan valve plugged in my pan .

You guys that are running Johnson lifter what’s your wot &idle pressure and have you changed spring in your pump ? If so ,no problems with running pan dry? Thank you

I saw your PM, but I figured I would answer you here so that others have the information if desired.

The Johnson lifters shouldn't impact oil pressure. The only exception to that is the 2126LSR, which uses a axle oiling system that will consume a bit of oil pressure.

The oil pressure you're seeing doesn't sound alarming by any means, but it does seem low for the 10355 pump, which has a 70psi "orange" spring installed out of the box. It does come with a 60psi "yellow" spring, and a 80psi "green" spring. With the bypass plugged, I would expect to see about those pressures at high rpm. Without it plugged, you'll never see too much over 60psi. Maybe you have the yellow spring in it, which has knocked it down a little.

For comparison, I have the Johnson ST2116LSR lifters in my SBE LS3. I'm running the Melling 10296 oil pump, with the 85psi "silver COPO" spring, and the pan relief capped. I see nearly 100psi on a cold start. Hot idle is usually around 48-55psi, and I see it peak around 95psi at like 6500rpm and it holds 85+ out to 7800rpm. 52k miles on the SBE.

If it were mine, unless I was hitting with boost or stupid RPM, I'd probably just leave it alone. With an 8qt pan I think you'd be ok with any of the springs, but it's definitely going to put lots of oil in the top end with the 10355, so I probably would leave it alone from that perspective as well. The hot idle being 30+psi sounds like it's in good shape.

I have a article about the Melling pumps and pressures you can expect on our website: https://gwatneyperformance.com/melli...-guide-for-ls/

[Risingson05]

Originally Posted by acammer

I saw your PM, but I figured I would answer you here so that others have the information if desired.

The Johnson lifters shouldn't impact oil pressure. The only exception to that is the 2126LSR, which uses a axle oiling system that will consume a bit of oil pressure.

The oil pressure you're seeing doesn't sound alarming by any means, but it does seem low for the 10355 pump, which has a 70psi "orange" spring installed out of the box. It does come with a 60psi "yellow" spring, and a 80psi "green" spring. With the bypass plugged, I would expect to see about those pressures at high rpm. Without it plugged, you'll never see too much over 60psi. Maybe you have the yellow spring in it, which has knocked it down a little.

For comparison, I have the Johnson ST2116LSR lifters in my SBE LS3. I'm running the Melling 10296 oil pump, with the 85psi "silver COPO" spring, and the pan relief capped. I see nearly 100psi on a cold start. Hot idle is usually around 48-55psi, and I see it peak around 95psi at like 6500rpm and it holds 85+ out to 7800rpm. 52k miles on the SBE.

If it were mine, unless I was hitting with boost or stupid RPM, I'd probably just leave it alone. With an 8qt pan I think you'd be ok with any of the springs, but it's definitely going to put lots of oil in the top end with the 10355, so I probably would leave it alone from that perspective as well. The hot idle being 30+psi sounds like it's in good shape.

I have a article about the Melling pumps and pressures you can expect on our website: https://gwatneyperformance.com/melli...-guide-for-ls/

Thank for the reply Andrew . Well then I guess I was told wrong but when I asked Johnson about that he explained the smaller diameter lifter in the lifter bore x16 would loose alittle pressure .

Either way , I do have the orange spring installed as I got the green and yellow spring in the box . I am boosted putting down 800whp on e-30 . I just looked at the dyno logs and pressure was reporting 70psi at wot but it wasn’t at full operating temp .. they ran it at 174 deg ..

I’ve got the same pump in my Sierra Denali as well as Johnson 2110 and my hot idle there is 20 idle and 45-50 hot wot . Yeah to not risk running the pan dry I’ll probable just leave the spring in ..

I’ve emailed melling about this I’ll see what they say .. thanks for giving me some reassurance .

[morepowerjoe]

I have the "caddy lifters" and the 10355HV pump as well. I currently have 80psi of pressure at wot and about 33psi at hot idle in gear. I went ahead and put the spring in that came with it because I had the copo spring in it at first and was seeing 90+ psi at wot and thought that was a bit much. And this is with bad cam bearings.

[Risingson05]

Nice !! Yeah I replaced my cam bearings with durabond chp25, so I know that can’t be it .