03-05-2021, 08:33 AM | #463 | |
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I'm not saying I would take an EV over any V8 sports/muscle car. I was just saying that if I HAD to choose between the worst of the slow V8 sports cars vs a Model S to drive daily, I'm gonna drive the Tesla. There are many, many V8 sports cars that I wouldn't even consider over a Tesla. Take any Mustang from about 1994-2010(Terminators excluded). Nope, wouldn't even look at one vs. a fast EV. I am curious how many people here have actually driven a fast EV though. I'm a die hard muscle car guy and until I drove a Tesla, I had zero interest in ever owning one. I changed my mind though. The feeling of the incredibly fast acceleration in those cars is exhilarating, even with no sound. Last edited by GearheadSS; 03-05-2021 at 08:43 AM. |
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My point was that, knowing how fast electric motors are, it's stupid to even consider them in comparison to combustion engines and vice versa. You can easily and cheaply make any electric motor faster than any gas engine. That was the point of my comparison to the Chiron. Fast gasoline engines is what we're all about here, but the point is that since it's so cheap and easy to make any electric motor fast it shouldn't even be considered or compared to a gas engine. Which is why I'll take a 1985 Cadillac Eldorado with the HT4100 over whatever electric motor crap they want to force us to buy. |
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03-05-2021, 09:50 AM | #466 |
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Subscriptions aside, how long will it take before all of these thrilling EV acceleration episodes will be in the data base and inevitably deemed to be a waste of precious solar and wind powered electricity?
A software download against your wishes governing your performance and habits will be the preferred method to reign in your planet killing O-60 launches. Not to mention a state sur-charge on your electricity consumption automatically deducted from your bank account, of course. EVs are a one trick pony of 0-60 launches. Suddenly now the car buying public is going to be all interested in this type of performance and become automotive enthusiasts like the Camaro track-crowd of ZL1s and 1LEs?...lol Enjoying the current ICE performance and power options like in a Camaro is hardly akin to the strectch of lumping in an EV's launch time as deserving the same enthusiasm. The technology must and at some point monitor how you will be able to drive your EV (never in total privacy, the technology demands every bit of electricity be monitored and regulated). Don't you want to save the planet? Last edited by 90503; 03-05-2021 at 10:13 AM. |
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The Pontiac Turbo 4.9L wasn't a worthless engine. They had 210hp/345tq which was MORE horsepower and MORE torque than anything else at the time except for Corvette L-82 which had 220-230hp. However, torque on the L-82 was much less at only 275tq. More importantly, if Pontiac was able to keep their own engine family instead of being forced into the GM corporate long stroke small bore SBC LG4/LU5 (which were boat anchors even then), they could've offered performance levels that matched or even bettered the Corvette. A 210hp/345tq turbo engine in a 3400lb 3rd gen Firebird would've smoked everything at that time. You argue for EV's, but then say you would LS swap everything. Well, a Model 3 with the performance package option would make that LS swap seem like a boat anchor too. Unfortunately, Teslas are one trick ponies. After the launch charge wears off on the fastest initial run, the performance gets substantially slower to where you're running 0-60 in the 5's. Sure, that's still plenty quick for a big heavy 4 door sedan. However, the insane sub 3 sec 0-60 and mid 10 sec quarter mile times are long gone once you start using up the battery juice. Anyway, most Teslas are pretty fugly looking anyway with their duck-like faces and boring jelly bean inspired designs. They sure don't compare to any newer Camaro or the older classics with those so-called boat anchor engines. Yeah, I've driven a Model S. I'd rather have a slower Camaro that makes engine noises instead. |
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I realize this forum probably skews 'older', but we're all here because we have overlapping interest in Camaros. None of you are more "pure" of a petrol head than anyone else here. You don't get to decide what's deserving of enthusiasm. This is toxic.
If moving to electric is what it takes to sell cars, then that's what will happen. They're a company that exist to make money, not make everyone happy. If the market gravitates to EVs, that's where they'll go. I honestly think this is all just 'the sky is falling'. If anything, I believe it'll be an option for a while. There will probably be a normal gasoline version, and if anything they'll save the really fancy stuff for the EV version to incentivize folks to try it out. |
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Fun cars don't have to be fancy. They just have to fit your preferences. So if you have to work too hard at making an EV 'fit', maybe it won't be much fun to own. Which doesn't sound like a very good gamble. Norm
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Saw an Electric vehicle skeleton on the LA fwy last night going off like a lightning strike after it crashed into a wall. Both occupants 2nd and 3rd degree burns while the car was toast. We'll see much more of this soon enough.
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I think it's more of the end user also finding the new option more appealing in general. The company just has a light push on the whole matter. People don't use CD's anymore in general other than for music because they are terrible at storage. You realize that each CD is only good for ~700 MB of storage, right? And look at how much area they take up. Meanwhile I can grab a USB stick barely bigger than my thumbnail that has 16 GB for not that much money, and let's not get started on mobile hard drives that have hundreds of GB of storage. And don't expect the mobile hard drives to disappear for a while - apparently it's actually faster for some company to send a huge amount of data in a mobile hard drive and courier services than sending them over the cloud. It's not like burning a CD is fun like cars we are talking about here. Why waste money on an old feature that almost no one uses anymore? And even if you want a CD, a USB burner isn't that expensive or hard to find. Quote:
Like seriously, is 3-second 0-60 useful in daily driving? Is your goal to score as many speeding tickets as possible? Given how terrible a lot of people drive, do you really want to give them that much power? Personal rule of thumb is that anything over 400 BHP is starting to get overkill for DD, while anything over 500 BHP is definitely overkill. Even with the "slow" Camaro SS, that's plenty of power for daily driving. I have no interest in an EV that's even faster than that, especially when you think about the whole "drive a slow car fast vs. drive a fast car slow" thing. Quote:
And I think the engine noise and shifting experience is what makes my car enjoyable to drive, not just the acceleration.
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That’s because the gimmick of electric motors is their low speed torque. That’s all they do. I want Camaro to be quicker and better than Mustang. I’m not willing to give up every every other benefit of the gasoline engine for that one aspect.
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