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But, if it is for performance, then no serious track enthusiast would swap springs without dampers. Period. And frankly, even John (YYZ) was developing (has developed?) dampers to go with his springs... yes he is and i have them have done 3 track events with them and so far they are awesome my buddy rode with me at big willow in feb and he said the car felt really stable and handled awesome remember i am a 1ss with no magride
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some people get rid of magride and also dssv just depends on how serious you are and how deep your pockets are
afe power was suppose to make coilovers for my car after they made the springs/swaybars so that was the plan but that never happen
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I saw a guy on the Camaro Facebook group awhile back that was complaining that his SS1LE handles poorly now after swapping to aftermarket springs. Some of the advice was "you need to get rid of the stock dampers for aftermarket coilovers"...
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well if you are swapping to mcs or jrz or dsc that makes sense but to remove magride on a 1less to swap to megan or bc or some cheap coilovers doesnt make sense at all
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10-22-2020, 12:44 PM | #35 |
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he said he didnt like the yyz and was going to replace them with phastek ones? lol those are trash and way lower than most springs and john said they broke on his spring tester within a week and we have no idea who makes them probably some cheap china company
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10-22-2020, 02:57 PM | #39 | |
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Indeed, some ppl do absolutely dumb things with their cars and doesn't mean it automatically makes for a better car, or better performance only because somebody spends a ton of $ on aftermarket parts. While some may be superior (when done right relative to the rest of the car, or a complete race car transformations), many may actually lead to inferior results (given how superb Alpha chassis already is on the SS 1LE out of the box), or very complex set ups to dial correctly. Besides, we are not talking about turning a dual purpose car into a trailered race car (while spending tons of $$$), but rather messing with an individual component without considering how it may affect the rest. Dont know anyone that swapped out MRC except for DSSV albeit i think some folks went back? Dont know **anyone** that swapped out DSSV. Why would anyone swap out top of the line, world famous pro racing shop components?! And what exactly would they replace them with? And why? To solve what exactly?! Thanks for pointing out your experience is a *non* 1LE car to avoid potential confusion between models and what they represent capability wise. As far as having "buddies" riding with ya and offering opinions about car's handling, id rather listen to opinions of pros who have actually driven the car and can offer lap times. And after 4 seasons, i also can offer a few first hand opinions regarding SS 1LE. Backed up by lap times. As far as engineering "musings" offered on some websites in support of the products...well, often times even top level pro racing engineers make bad assumptions and have to swap out complete suspensions after first practice, as cars handle like $hit. Recent IMSA races were good examples of it, if one listened to driver interviews. Not to mention most 2020 NASCAR races - due to no practice time. I am not saying that MRC is the absolute best there is. But, it has been engineered and tested by one of the biggest, world class manufacturer (with decades of pro racing experience at many levels), to work extremely well in all kinds of weather, all kinds of venues and all kinds of tires, including slicks. With zero adjustments necessary except for alignment and tire pressure. And in full concert with PTM and ELSD calibrations. Id say it rarely gets any better than that! Lastly, i respect and appreciate that you have fun testing free kit. Why not?! But, testing and plugging are two different things, so dont be surprised by some friendly push back, as it comes with the territory Cheers! |
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10-22-2020, 04:51 PM | #41 |
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this is coby shield the guy that replaced his oem 1le magride with the dsc sport kit he is a fastboi and has set multiple track records this year
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPt...shthaRlkyp1UjQ i dont have link or any photos right now but our other buddy just replaced the oem dssv with a 1 way mcs coilover kit magride/dssv is not the holy grail...is it good from the factory for most people? yes can it be improved on? yes
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10-22-2020, 10:38 PM | #42 | |
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Firstly, his skill as a driver I suspect that if a vast majority of members here tried to drive a car as fast as he does, they would end up in a fence and on a wrecker in less than a lap. So dont even imagine for a second, that you could just jump in his car and even remotely equal his lap times. Secondly, his laps are very fast indeed, but his car is seriously modded: power, weight, aero, slicks, etc. Mods are useless and complete waste of money UNLESS a driver can push a car further to take advantage of them. Thirdly, he is a talented (and committed) competitor with a pretty big wallet. His coilovers go for about $8Gs plus install. Dont think that an average driver would somehow magically lower their laptimes unless they could push the car as well as he does. An average driver woud be much better served with more power and stickier tires as far as their ability to get value out of mods. And, of course, the very first mod should be spending money to increase skill of the nut behind the wheel, until they can wheel a car as well as Coby can. If you can drive as well as Coby and getting extra tenths or whatever stands between you and a trophy AND you have THOUSANDS to spend: by all means GO FOR IT!!! BUT, dont even put YYZ springs in the same sentence as his coilovers. That would be like comparing apples to bananas, never mind oranges! What we dont know, is exactly how much pace his coilovers are worth over stock MRC plus extra 100HP/TQ 200lb less weight (a bit of a guess), aero, slicks, etc. And maybe he doesn't know either. Most certainly YOU dont know. So please stop trying to insinuate outcomes you have no idea about. Here's another trivia for you: Coby's time at NCM in a modded SS 1LE is about 1 second faster than Provoste time in a BONE STOCK car. Cheers! |
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