12-22-2023, 12:38 PM | #1499 |
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Merry Christmas to all here...
If you're a keep Christ in Xmas person. If you're a keep Santa in Xmas person. If you're not an Xmas person. Even if you're a keep EV in Xmas person. Especially if you're a keep cubic inches in Xmas person. |
12-22-2023, 12:39 PM | #1500 | |
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That’s why I said “time-phased”. After that “mandates” were put in place to speed up the transition and “incentives” were put in place to influence manufacturers to build in the regions where they sell. As for Voltec, allow me to just say that the decision to walk away from Voltec was made before I retired in 2017. The decision to de-emphasize hybrids was made shortly after that and, though I personally would not have made that decision, I understand why it went the way it went.
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12-22-2023, 12:42 PM | #1501 |
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And a Merry Christmas to you too and all the people I have met through this thread.
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12-22-2023, 12:47 PM | #1502 |
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That tells me pretty much everything I need to know.
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12-22-2023, 02:51 PM | #1503 | |
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Thing is, what’s left of the emissions in internal combustion engines is significantly more difficult to eliminate. At the same time, electric vehicle tech has improved dramatically over the past 10-15 years and continues to improve at clock speeds faster than anything else in the auto industry. So, rather than sink investment into more difficult engine technologies that customers will not pay for, automakers are investing in electric vehicle technologies that deliver zero tailpipe emissions. And consumers are willing to pay for that.
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12-22-2023, 03:13 PM | #1504 | |
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And again, there are studies that show taking tailpipes emissions to zero won't do crap to stop El Nino/La Nina, change weather, volcanic activity, or impact the other 99% of carbon emissions. The impact will be zero. This is all for nothing except virtue signalling. |
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12-22-2023, 05:12 PM | #1505 |
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1 million people in the US bought EVs this year. None of them was forced.
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12-22-2023, 06:20 PM | #1507 |
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This is exactly why I've said many times that if I had a full EV, I'd have to have a hybrid or an ice to go with it. Emergencies. This situation is the difference between seeing a family member in their last moments or not. The difference between taking your family safely out of the path of a hurricane and returning home without much trouble when the time comes.
I have to wonder why this author chose to take the Lightning when they were faced with a family emergency? https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...nightmare/amp/
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12-22-2023, 09:05 PM | #1508 | |
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Let’s be clear, I like cars. Period. No matter what powers them. My Camaro is still my favorite car to drive. But don’t sleep on the capability of my Model Y. It does everything it needs to do and a lot more. EVs are not for everybody and I would not recommend one to anybody who doesn’t have a place to plug it in overnight. And, I repeat…nobody who buys an EV before 2035 is forced to buy it. And even in 2035, if you don’t live in California, New York, and a handful of other states, you will NOT be forced to buy one. You will have fewer choices as the OEMs start taking ICE models out of their portfolios over the next few years. Prime examples being Camaro, Challenger, and Charger.
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12-23-2023, 08:28 AM | #1511 | |
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It goes back to the issue of infrastructure that I mentioned as one of my points in a prior post...it isn't there yet. 1 of the many reasons people will continue to stay away from EVs for a good while and why, to me (at this time), EV's only make better sense if you already have another vehicle.
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12-23-2023, 09:53 AM | #1512 | |
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With my current stable of vehicles, if I had to pick up and run several hundred miles to deal with an emergency I would be slightly more comfortable taking my SRX than my Tesla. My MR2 would be next in order. My Camaro would be last. The reason the Camaro is last is I have no flat tire solution, particularly if I’m running my 1LE wheels that do not have run-flat tires. The reason the SRX is first is because even though Superchargers would not be an issue I would spend less time refilling than recharging. If the weather was really bad, though, I would take the Tesla because of the AWD.
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