Road and Track head to head: M2 Competition vs 2019 SS 1LE - Page 2

TRZ06 · 10-21-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetres

The Camaro shouldn’t be any lower than say 3500-4K RPMs exiting a corner, or after an upshift.....so tq at the RPMs you cited is kind of meaningless in discussion of a lap on a circuit.

I came out of a 2016 M3 into my SS 1LE, AND while on paper their 0-6o times are just about identical, my M3 felt quite a bit faster straight line.

Between the way the turbos come in and the DCT, it just felt faster. It's Twin turbo VS N/A V8, they just feel sooo different in how they go about accelerating.

HOWEVER, that was the ONLY thing the M3 did better then the SS 1LE.

I am sure there have been some improvements to the M2 Comp. and it being a 2019 and all but, putting brand name aside, I like my SS 1LE SO much more that the M3.

To be fair though, I have not driven the M2 or obviously the M2 Comp.

TRZ06 · 10-21-2018, 02:18 PM

Is there a link to the article? I can't find it online.

Chevmaro · 10-21-2018, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zr1chris

Anyone know what issues have the pre-refresh 1LE? Ive seen articles online but would like a hard copy.

This is Road & Track's first test of a Gen 6 1LE.

ninetres · 10-22-2018, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TRZ06

I came out of a 2016 M3 into my SS 1LE, AND while on paper their 0-6o times are just about identical, my M3 felt quite a bit faster straight line.

Between the way the turbos come in and the DCT, it just felt faster. It's Twin turbo VS N/A V8, they just feel sooo different in how they go about accelerating.

HOWEVER, that was the ONLY thing the M3 did better then the SS 1LE.

I am sure there have been some improvements to the M2 Comp. and it being a 2019 and all but, putting brand name aside, I like my SS 1LE SO much more that the M3.

To be fair though, I have not driven the M2 or obviously the M2 Comp.

My comment did not concern drag racing.

the_swiSS · 10-22-2018, 03:34 AM

Cool to see American publications pitting Camaros directly against M Products. Over here in good old Europe, such an article could never exist. Especially not when the Camaro wins every time.

Makes me that much more proud to have chosen the Camaro over an M2/M4.

ddanj · 10-22-2018, 05:39 AM

So if the M2 competition had similar sticky tires, would the gap be much smaller or mostly gone? The M2 competition is slightly lighter too from my understanding.

A similarly specd 2ss 1le is not that far off in price - around $50k msrp vs 58k for the M2.

Nice to see more 'competition' from BMW.

If it weren't for reliability issues and big price difference (I got a base lvl v6 1le), I would have considered a 2-series or an M2.

BrianF · 10-22-2018, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ddanj

So if the M2 competition had similar sticky tires, would the gap be much smaller or mostly gone? The M2 competition is slightly lighter too from my understanding.

A similarly specd 2ss 1le is not that far off in price - around $50k msrp vs 58k for the M2.

Nice to see more 'competition' from BMW.

If it weren't for reliability issues and big price difference (I got a base lvl v6 1le), I would have considered a 2-series or an M2.

Motortrend did a M2 vs V6 1LE test

they also did an M4 vs SS (dont think 1LE), and pretty much were surprised at how well the Camaro did.

I will say I am not a fan of the 2 series look. I am pretty much over the latest BMW cars. I think the last one I really liked was the E92 M3.

Joel2702zzz · 10-22-2018, 09:12 AM

Did they test acceleration for the new Camaro?

zr1chris · 10-22-2018, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevmaro

This is Road & Track's first test of a Gen 6 1LE.

Doesn't need to be Road & Track. Any mag is fine.

Joel2702zzz · 10-22-2018, 09:28 AM

I freaking hate motor trend for doing these stupid comparisons, the M2 starts at just below 60k the V6 1LE starts at just above 30k! I don't think anyone's cross-shopping these two cars.

Norm Peterson · 10-22-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Joel2702zzz

I freaking hate motor trend for doing these stupid comparisons, the M2 starts at just below 60k the V6 1LE starts at just above 30k! I don't think anyone's cross-shopping these two cars.

IOW, the extra $30k and stronger acceleration only bought the M2 the same lap time. Sounds like a bowtie 'win' to me.

Norm

MATTY-1LE · 10-22-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ddanj

So if the M2 competition had similar sticky tires, would the gap be much smaller or mostly gone? The M2 competition is slightly lighter too from my understanding.

A similarly specd 2ss 1le is not that far off in price - around $50k msrp vs 58k for the M2.

Nice to see more 'competition' from BMW.

If it weren't for reliability issues and big price difference (I got a base lvl v6 1le), I would have considered a 2-series or an M2.

i believe the M2 actually had superior tires. So its more of the other way around

TrackClub · 10-22-2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wjones14

What was the price as tested for both cars?

$49,995 vs $64,545.

TrackClub · 10-22-2018, 10:35 AM

0-60 3.9 secs for both cars.

60-0 113ft Bimmer 103 Camaro

No link to the article. Get a rag copy

10-21-2018, 02:18 PM	#16
TRZ06 Drives: 22' Porsche PDK GT4 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,013	Is there a link to the article? I can't find it online. __________________ Current: 22' Porsche PDK GT4 (MCS 2-way remote dampers) Previous: 18' NFG 2SS *1LE* (ZL1 1LE solid rear cradle bushings & Corsa Exhaust) 16' F80 M3 (Ohlin R/T Coilovers) 13' Audi TTRS (APR Stage 1, MSS Springs) 09' C6 Z06 08' E90 M3 06' 335i (KW V2 Coilovers) 03' C5 Z06

10-22-2018, 03:34 AM	#19
the_swiSS Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS (EU) Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Zurich, Switzerland Posts: 113	Cool to see American publications pitting Camaros directly against M Products. Over here in good old Europe, such an article could never exist. Especially not when the Camaro wins every time. Makes me that much more proud to have chosen the Camaro over an M2/M4. __________________ 2018 EU 2SS - 6MT - Black GBA - Recaro seats - NPP - MRC Black Bowties - GM Fuel Door - Black Camaro Fender Logo - K&N Air Filter - Katech ported TB - GM Dark Tail Lights - GM ZL1 1LE 3rd Brake Light - HRE FF04 - Eibach Springs

10-22-2018, 05:39 AM	#20
ddanj Drives: 2018 1LS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 162	So if the M2 competition had similar sticky tires, would the gap be much smaller or mostly gone? The M2 competition is slightly lighter too from my understanding. A similarly specd 2ss 1le is not that far off in price - around $50k msrp vs 58k for the M2. Nice to see more 'competition' from BMW. If it weren't for reliability issues and big price difference (I got a base lvl v6 1le), I would have considered a 2-series or an M2. __________________ 2018 Garnet Red 1LS 1LE V6 w/Tech 1100 - 07/26/2017 \| 4300 - 09/15/2017 at rail yard 3000 - 08/16/2017 \| 4200 - 09/18/2017 shipped! 3100 - 08/19/2017 TPW 09/11/2017 \| 4800 - 09/20/2017 train journey done 3400 - 08/25/2017 \| 5000 - 09/22/2017 at the dealer, and picked up! 4300 - 09/12/2017 Built! VIN available 4B00 - 09/14/2017 move to rail yard

10-22-2018, 09:12 AM	#22
Joel2702zzz Drives: My Dad's car is a '16 1SS 6MT Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Menifee CA Posts: 76	Did they test acceleration for the new Camaro?

10-22-2018, 09:28 AM	#24
Joel2702zzz Drives: My Dad's car is a '16 1SS 6MT Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Menifee CA Posts: 76	I freaking hate motor trend for doing these stupid comparisons, the M2 starts at just below 60k the V6 1LE starts at just above 30k! I don't think anyone's cross-shopping these two cars.

10-22-2018, 10:35 AM	#28
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	0-60 3.9 secs for both cars. 60-0 113ft Bimmer 103 Camaro No link to the article. Get a rag copy

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