[Mr. Wyndham]

20 EV models by 2023 or something like that. I'm certain a proper CUV would be one of them...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I think they pretend that the Bolt is a crossover, and from a legal perspective I believe it is (something about a flat cargo floor or something, I think). But yeah, you'd think there would be more hybrid & EV crossovers out there given the general demand for the CUVs right now. Its not just GM either, but pretty much everyone.

Maybe the OEMs thought it would be piling on too much risk at once, 4 years ago when these decisions were being made there was still uncertainty as to how popular crossovers would be. So to dump a lot of money into a crossover, then a lot more into a powertrain other than a standard gasoline engine might have been a non-starter.

Or it could simply be an engineering issue. With the big boxes typically being heavier and less aerodynamic, you get less efficiency out of a hybrid and less range from an EV (or you need more batteries which adds extra cost).

It’s the bold part. It’s a chemistry problem wrapped inside of a physics problem with financial reality tossed in. Until battery chemistry is efficient enough to overcome the aerodynamic and mass deficiencies of utilities and deliver commercially acceptable driving range without having to package them with an ungodly amount of expensive batteries.

Probably the closest thing to a feasible electr4Ic CUV is the Kia Soul EV and also the Kia Niro. But there are more PHEV and EV CUVs coming. Jaguar i-Pace, too.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by nicktechla

I'm really surprised for all the Tesla hate in here. It's a great product.

It's not the product, its the smirky owners. Same goes for the Prius.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

20 EV models by 2023 or something like that. I'm certain a proper CUV would be one of them...

Agreed. I just thought that GM would have that CUV by now...but hopefully a proper CUV hybrid or EV is one of the firsts to come.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by nicktechla

That's what I worry about for Tesla. Now the big automakers are getting into the game, and they have way more money and bigger production. Tesla changed the game for everyone. All the previous electric cars had shitty range. They came along, raised the bar to 300 mile range, now everyone is aiming for that target. Now that Porsche, Mercedes and a few other companies are making their Model S competitor, it should get interesting.

I'm really surprised for all the Tesla hate in here. It's a great product.

Its a great product if you don't have the slightest care for build quality or reliability. But by that measure, the Yugo is a pretty good car too.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its a great product if you don't have the slightest care for build quality or reliability. But by that measure, the Yugo is a pretty good car too.

Or if you don't care about business ethics or factory worker conditions. Minor stuff, you know.

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Or if you don't care about business ethics or factory worker conditions. Minor stuff, you know.

[McBeevee]

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/06/...-employee.html

[Mr. Wyndham]

Oh, well...then that makes everything alright! I'm certain that employee was responsible for each and ever catastrophic failure Musk has experienced with Tesla in the past two years. And of course it would be the "planet-saving" Tesla vs. the oil companies...

I believe him that an employee sabotaged operations. My guess is it only affected installation of a headlight or something.

[McBeevee]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Oh, well...then that makes everything alright!

I'm certain that employee was responsible for each and ever catastrophic failure Musk has experienced with Tesla in the past two years.

And of course it would be the "planet-saving" Tesla vs. the oil companies...

I believe him that an employee sabotaged operations. My guess is it only affected installation of a headlight or something.

Yeah, this felt to me to be the equivalent of LeBron crying about his broken hand AFTER they lost in the finals.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

At the same time I get some satisfaction when bad news about Tesla happens in part b/c there are so many nose-up Tesla owners, or non-owner die hards out there that think Tesla's poop doesn't stink. I read through a few Tesla threads a while back, and most of these people seemed very high on themselves and on Tesla. GM and Ford products were trash for lesser people. Don't even start to talk about GM's "Super Cruise" compared to AutoPilot...they will tell you its so inferior its laughable.

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

It's not the product, its the smirky owners. Same goes for the Prius.

So people don't like a product, not because of the product, but because of the consumers. Makes a whole lot of sense.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

So people don't like a product, not because of the product, but because of the consumers. Makes a whole lot of sense.

I never said it makes sense. Its just how it is.

Don't tell me you've never laughed at the folks sleeping in tents to get the next iPhone. Its kind of like that.

[BMR Sales]

I hate it when People always put the blame on someone else to deflect they aren't doing a very good job

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I never said it makes sense. Its just how it is.

Don't tell me you've never laughed at the folks sleeping in tents to get the next iPhone. Its kind of like that.

I laugh and make fun of those people all the time. But at the same time, I don't get satisfaction with bad news from them. I love apple.