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Old 06-07-2016, 10:05 PM   #1
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Ecoboost Mustang getting slower?

Did Ford send a ringer early on? (I'm only poking fun at the ringer part as I know the blue oval camp would have a field day if a GM representative said the excerpt below).

"A Ford communications representative noted that the quickest manual transmission Mustang EcoBoost we tested (the second car) was a pre-production model and speculated that it may have had a “different calibration.” He did not elaborate."

The best trap speed I've seen has been from C&D.. They had it at 102 and 103 from what I recall. I believe the rest have been under 100 mph.

Interesting read.. Trap speed is about the same in all of the tests. This thing weighs more than an ATS v6 coupe. A bit of a diet and maybe Focus RS power-plant and it would be a decent improvement.

To me, the 1/4 are all fairly close from the tests they had. Seems like the 0-60 is what really took the hit. I don't know if they recalibrated it or something to protect drivetrain.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/ecobo...etting-slower/
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:52 AM   #2
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There's quite a few ways to take the test of turbos that they did. Most will think it's a straight comparison which it really isn't. The EcoBoost is better equipped as it should be, seeing as that's what they want as the middle ground option. Still its alarming to see just how they won the competition. Even with the power advantage, it still lost quite badly in the quarter. It did shine everywhere else, which I feel was the point of the stance in the lineup of that model.

Still, seeing that just tires for the Camaro would make that much more of a difference shows what lightness really equates to.
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:18 AM   #3
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Wow. Chef you are exactly right. If someone/anyone remotely affiliate with GM said the same thing about tuning calibrations being different for an early test car versus a later one, the MG6 crowd would be raking GM over the coals, calling them evil, and thePill and his minions would go on a 12 page rant about it.

Instead, I'm betting they are attacking MotorTrend for posting up such an article.

Frankily I'm a little surprised myself that MT did post the article. I don't see anything coming from it, except questions and negativity. The cars are all trapping similarly, so peak HP seems to be the same. But yeah, 0 - 60 seems to be suffering, so perhaps it is something in the tune to protect the driveline?

Anyways...whatever it is, is interesting.

I can't believe that I feel like the Mustang EB is over-weight, but there you have it. It is. The Camaro turbo 4 has a good 200 pound advantage on it. If you were to equal it out at the same 3,600 lb weight, that would be like the Camaro having about 300HP and 320 TQ, very similar to the Mustang, but the Camaro puts the power down better.
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:46 AM   #4
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perhaps it is something in the tune to protect the driveline?.
Possible, though I have a hard time seeing why they would do this with the automatics given how very stout the 6R80 actually is..and it's the same manual transmission as the GT's..

Does anyone here have access to a Ford service database to see if the tunes have multiple revisions?
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Possible, though I have a hard time seeing why they would do this with the automatics given how very stout the 6R80 actually is..and it's the same manual transmission as the GT's..

Does anyone here have access to a Ford service database to see if the tunes have multiple revisions?
Didn't know all models use MT-82.. Besides GT350 I guess..
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Didn't know all models use MT-82.. Besides GT350 I guess..
Yup, only the GT350 uses a different transmission, otherwise every other manual is the MT82
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Wow did not know each EB they have tested has been slower than the last. This is as bad as the ZO6 cooling issues.
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Yup, only the GT350 uses a different transmission, otherwise every other manual is the MT82
Does it come with a smaller input shaft or everything is the same?
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Yup, only the GT350 uses a different transmission, otherwise every other manual is the MT82
I think the GT350 and the past GT500 uses the same Tremec TR6060 tranny like all the Vettes and Camaros.
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I think the GT350 and the past GT500 uses the same Tremec TR6060 tranny like all the Vettes and Camaros.
The GT350 uses a Tremec 3160, a beefed up variant as found in the ATS.
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Wow did not know each EB they have tested has been slower than the last. This is as bad as the ZO6 cooling issues.
I don't think it's in the same conversation as cooling issues..
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The GT350 uses a Tremec 3160, a beefed up variant as found in the ATS.
Got ya!

I had an MT82 before my Camaro on my Mustang.. the Tremec is def. louder with the notchy shifts. Personally, I kind of like it.
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Got ya!

I had an MT82 before my Camaro on my Mustang.. the Tremec is def. louder with the notchy shifts. Personally, I kind of like it.
I feel like my MT82 is getting worse. I see myself getting locked out of gear at redline when I try to shift fast when it didn't use to happen when I got the car.. Maybe I just need to slow down. Lol.
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Wow did not know each EB they have tested has been slower than the last. This is as bad as the ZO6 cooling issues.
Similar...but not quite. As far as I know EB's are just pulling about 10% power, not going into full on limp mode like the early Z06's were.
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