01-04-2021, 10:16 AM | #29 |
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Except that $7500 gets you hardly any better performance besides better handling on an already great handling car. And on the street, will hardly be noticeable.
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01-04-2021, 10:19 AM | #30 |
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Should also be mentioned that 1LE wheel/tire size and type is not the best for comfort, it does tramline, tires wear quick and don't work optimally until they get warmed up. They also hydroplane easier vs other choices. They wouldn't be my 1st choice for street application so if you go 1LE you might end up replacing OEM wheels and/or tires anyways. I'd like a set of PS4S for street use over the GY SC3.
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Very noticeable and well worth 7K IMO. But, IMO, this is all about choice and opinion. I would make the same choice again in a heartbeat! |
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01-04-2021, 11:29 AM | #35 | |
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Well said, King. If anyone finds themselves feeling tense or uneasy in a standard SS on the street, they're going WAYYY too fast. BTW: I would apply this statement to guys like Randy Pobst as well. After adding the 1LE/ZL1 handling bits in my sig, I can tell a difference on the track, but getting anywhere near the grip/handling limits of any 6th gen on the street is not smart to say the least. Guys who rave about how capable their 1LE's are are correct but they probably don't realize how close the SS comes with just a tire change. With all that said, I would have bought a 1LE had they been available when I got my car, I just don't think it's a wise use of the $7500 premium for everyone.
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01-04-2021, 11:35 AM | #36 | |
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01-04-2021, 11:39 AM | #37 | |
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Add the subjectively best looking wheels (forged) I've seen in the category. Add front splitter. Add lip spoiler. the 1LE package makes the car a different animal visually. I don't care to track the car (tons of advanced track days on motorcycles so im kinda over it) but I do like to engage certain areas on the street that do utilize the 1LE package. |
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01-04-2021, 11:40 AM | #38 |
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All depends on how much you want to track......
Any SS is a track capable car.....
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01-04-2021, 11:42 AM | #39 |
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So I have a convertible 1SS and added 295-30-19 tires square on 10.5" Apex wheels. That one change made a significant difference in the grip and feel of the car. I now have the GMPP lowering kit on order and will add that to get closer to a 1LE suspension. Granted the TC isn't optimized for the grip, the old school LSD isn't as good, and maybe the biggest improvement in the car hasn't been mentioned - the 1LE Recaro seats! I even thought about adding those to my vert, but looks like it would eat $5K which is just too much $ for seats - IMHO.
So to answer the question - I think the 1LE package is a no-brainer bargain for the $7500 and I would only get a 1LE if I was buying a coupe. Now - if you already have a SS is upgrading to a 1LE worth it? That's where it gets iffy. For me it would be a $15K upgrade over my convertible. And I rather like the convertible too. I no longer go to the track regularly, but I did for years and years and raced with NASA for awhile in the CMC series. So I would be able to appreciate the 1LE and would occasionally take it to the track if I got one. I do think it's the best looking 6th gen out there - other than the ZL1 I guess. But I really don't need 650hp. 455 is plenty and matches the chassis very well. I have two other 500hp+ cars anyway. |
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My initial thought on this was this: if the 'track' oriented tires on the 1LE require substantial heat before providing more grip than the regular SS, maybe the real world / street performance difference between the two is not all that much? So I decided to test drive both and get feedback from others to help make a decision -- of which I'm still undecided After driving both back to back on back roads, here's my observations (disclaimer: ambient temp was ~60F):
Overall, after test driving both and after getting feedback from others that have owned both cars (see below), I think this is what it boils down to:
Here's a summary of feedback that I got from two people on here that have owned both SS and SS 1LE. They had PMed me with their feedback, so I'm not listing their user names to protect the innocent Forum member #1 (Owned/tracked SS; Now owns SS 1LE) "I appreciate you asking me these kinds of questions! Keep in mind, I'm 49 years old and have had a boatload of "performance" types of cars through the years and my taste changes as I age....... 1. As far as street driving goes, I would venture to say there isn't a difference that justifies the cost of the 1LE package. I do believe I may have slid on that onramp due to tire temp as it's about 2 miles from work, but my other standard SS would take it a 5mph faster regardless of temp. These cars might also epitomize the saying "I'd rather drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow". 2. I have found that my SS 1LE seems to slide easier than my 2017 Camaro SS 6 speed non 1LE did, kind of shocked me on one of my favorite on ramps, not in a good way. See above, may have been tire temp or combination of 8000 mile Goodyears at the time and low temp tire. I also had an extra person in the vehicle, but I can't see that contributing to the rear breaking loose. 3. I have tracked my regular SS once or twice at Roebling Road Raceway, a very high average speed track. It performed quite well. Here's where specific 1LE differences would come into play and make a noticeable difference. I have yet to get it on track, but should be in Feb. 6 piston Brembos are night and day better than 4 piston. My 2015 Mustang GT PP car had the 6 piston and I tracked it at RRR, very noticeable lesser braking ability in the 17 SS 4 piston set up. I could brake much deeper with the 15 GT 6 piston car and have much more confidence doing it. Elsd- haven't experienced it yet, hear it's the bees knees. Recaro seats, dramatically better than standard SS seats at holding you in place. Tires would also have to make a dramatic difference over the standard SS runflat sizes. HUD makes no difference to me, I forget it's there most of the time. I felt like the standard SS suspension did me quite well. Keep in mind, I'm in the intermediate not advanced group HPDE, but I was the fastest guy in every session with the PCA group I ran in, so I'm not afraid to push it for what it's got (and what I feel comfortable with). I never even swapped the OEM pads out, which I know would make a significant difference on track. I had to trade my Goldwing with my Camaro on this deal and could not find a standard 2020 SS that I liked the looks of as much as my white 17 with factory black 5 star wheels. I liked the standard suspension a little better on the street for the feel it gave, a little more forgiving. This car will literally change lanes depending on the ruts in the road, it's not forgiving and you can't be half asleep while driving it or you'll receive a rude awakening quickly! If I could have kept the regular SS, I would have. I had just done catted longtubes, Pray ported IM and 95MM TB, and E85 with the Pray tune. This car feels slow now........." Forum member #2 (owned & tracked/{autocrossed} both SS and SS 1LE): "this is exactly an issue i had with this car. on the street, the mag ride is nice but its not that much different than the regular ss autocross. different animal. its amazing compared to the ss. the extra wheel and tire, the mag ride, is amazing. the ediff is a little funky with autocross though. something that took some getting used to." Quote:
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Regarding outright grip on the street, I think it depends on the ambient temps and road conditions. See feedback from "forum member #1" above. On my test drive in 60F weather, I'd say it was pretty hard to tell much difference in capability between the two cars on back roads. Had my test drive been in hotter weather or on better roads, maybe the 1LE benefits would have been more obvious.
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