[shaffe]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

85K is right in there with what the Demon costs. Why does the top Camaro have to be priced at a point the average Joe can afford it? The SS is a great car for the average Joe. I have spent over $85K after mods on my 2016 SS. If GM built a factory Camaro with twins and 800 hp I would buy it and keep the warranty.

I just think there are a lot of people that want to buy something outrageous and when they consider a Hellcat or a Cayenne or a Tesla S, if GM had a Camaro that was king it would be considered. A lot of people are buying hellcats around me.... I'm shocked how many are in my little town. I can't help but wonder if the ZL1 was 710 hp would there be ZL1s in town or are people really Dodge loyal? I really can't see it hurting Chevrolet to put another choice above the existing best Camaro because some people around me are spending $80k plus on vehicles and right now the only GM options in that range are a 2 seat vette, or a truck or a big SUV.

Well to me the problem with that kind of price tag on a Camaro comes down to this. IMO once it hit's that kind of price range, there is going to be internal competition between the Camaro and the Corvette. Specifically, right in line with the Z06

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Well to me the problem with that kind of price tag on a Camaro comes down to this. IMO once it hit's that kind of price range, there is going to be internal competition between the Camaro and the Corvette. Specifically, right in line with the Z06

That should not be your thought process, GM sells $80K Sierra Denali's, Yukon Denali's, and Yukon XL Denali's and they have a place in the market due to want and needs of the buying public. If GM thought that way and tried to protect pickup truck sales by not offering similar appointments as the luxury SUV segment, this would send buyers elsewhere and not stay in the fold.

That's my thought process on this so we should not restrict what Team Camaro does to keep Team Corvette exclusively in the upper tier of Chevy Performance rank structure. We can have more than one flavor so to speak to satisfy our hunger. Nothing wrong with a little overlapping in some areas of performance.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

Well it doesn't matter if you pay $80K for the car or $35K, debt is debt and really has nothing to do with the Z/28 topic. As far as Mods and cars as investments...cars in general are not good investments. The are rapidly depreciating assets. I don't expect any return on any money I put in my cars....gas, tires, turbos, exhaust systems, cold air intakes...you name it, if you spend it on the car you might as well write it off as gone. If you park the car like a museum piece it might be worth something to someone some day. If you drive it, it is going to depreciate...Not a smart investment. I would consider purchasing a fast Z/28 to drive because that is what I like to do with my money.

To most, an $85-90k vehicle is too much. I live by the following, if you can't pay cash for it or at least put down 50% and pay it off in less than ~2 years, you're boning yourself. Again, to each their own. At that price, 50% down will still leave you with one Hell of a payment. If a Z/28 is making an appearance in the near future, I'd like to see an MSRP in the low $50k range. Put 50-60% down and have a reasonable payment instead of a $1,000/month punch in the face. I'm 37 and want to retire sooner than later. 55 is my goal and as is, I'm on track.

Originally Posted by Smokin15

You nailed it.

How do you put a price on the joy you get out of your car, you can't. It's the unique experience, that rush of adrenaline thru your arms as you hang on to the beast with the steering wheel. Some or most will never have that experience.

You can't put a price on it, but you can choose to make responsible purchases.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Well to me the problem with that kind of price tag on a Camaro comes down to this. IMO once it hit's that kind of price range, there is going to be internal competition between the Camaro and the Corvette. Specifically, right in line with the Z06

Exactly what I said many pages ago. At some point, you end up stepping on your own toes.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

That should not be your thought process, GM sells $80K Sierra Denali's, Yukon Denali's, and Yukon XL Denali's and they have a place in the market due to want and needs of the buying public. If GM thought that way and tried to protect pickup truck sales by not offering similar appointments as the luxury SUV segment, this would send buyers elsewhere and not stay in the fold.

That's my thought process on this so we should not restrict what Team Camaro does to keep Team Corvette exclusively in the upper tier of Chevy Performance rank structure. We can have more than one flavor so to speak to satisfy our hunger. Nothing wrong with a little overlapping in some areas of performance.

Those luxury SUVs have a place in the market though. Some of those Denali buyers wouldn't be caught in a Chevy so GMC fills the void.

I'm not saying it to protect corvette from a performance standpoint, I am saying it so you don't take sales away from your self. Say you sell 100 widgets a month, then you introduce a new widget that is eerily the same in price and performance and now instead of selling 100 widget A, you only sell 50 because now you sell 50 of widget B. You might make the same money and sell the same total of widgets, but have hurt an already strong product line

It's the same reason for why people have said the Chevelle would never come back, because it would take sales away from the Camaro.

[DRKS1D3]

Here's a brainstorm that just hit me. How about eliminating the SS 1LE, adding some more performance mods, placing the Z/28 badge on it and set the MSRP at ~$50-55k? Thoughts?

[Bhobbs]

That depends on the customer. Given the choice between a 6th gen Z/28 and a C7 Z06, I’d go with the Z/28.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That depends on the customer. Given the choice between a 6th gen Z/28 and a C7 Z06, I’d go with the Z/28.

and myself would take the Corvette. (then again I have always been partial to Corvettes lol)

But say if I was just some joe schmo with moneys, even if the Camaro was faster I'd probably take the vette because it would probably have more creature comforts than a stripped out track toy.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

Here's a brainstorm that just hit me. How about eliminating the SS 1LE, adding some more performance mods, placing the Z/28 badge on it and set the MSRP at ~$50-55k? Thoughts?

2020 Z/28--$50-55k: All the tech of the SS 1LE, plus: upgraded brakes (cross-drilled/slotted rotors/), 40-50hp bump, Z/28 specific lightweight 19" wheels and aggressive tires, other various Z/28 specific performance parts/aesthetic touches to make it special, etc..

I could live with something like this.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

2020 Z/28--$50-55k: All the tech of the SS 1LE, plus: upgraded brakes (cross-drilled/slotted rotors/), 40-50hp bump, Z/28 specific lightweight 19" wheels and aggressive tires, other various Z/28 specific performance parts/aesthetic touches to make it special, etc..

I could live with something like this.

That to me ticks the boxes of the Z/28.

It's clearly the best handling N/A camaro, it respects the heritage.

The 5th gen car simply put a lot of expectations on the badge

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

Here's a brainstorm that just hit me. How about eliminating the SS 1LE, adding some more performance mods, placing the Z/28 badge on it and set the MSRP at ~$50-55k? Thoughts?

I've already said as much, that the 1LE is essentially the Z/28 already. You could throw some better suspension gear, maybe a slight HP bump if you want, and call it the Z/28.

There is no real need for some mythical, 5th gen like Z/28....that's what the ZL1 1LE already is....

Now, if you want to go SS 1LE and add the DSSV and a few other choice goodies to it...even better..

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I've already said as much, that the 1LE is essentially the Z/28 already. You could throw some better suspension gear, maybe a slight HP bump if you want, and call it the Z/28.

There is no real need for some mythical, 5th gen like Z/28....that's what the ZL1 1LE already is....

Now, if you want to go SS 1LE and add the DSSV and a few other choice goodies to it...even better..

As much as I would love to see a monster Z/28 that's faster than the ZL1 1LE I think I would rather see it based on the SS 1LE with the DSSVs, new N/A big power LT and reworked aero (not the ZL1 1LE front fascia since it doesn't need the massive grills for cooling). I think they could do that for about the price of a ZL1, or maybe same price as ZL1 1LE, and that should sell well.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That to me ticks the boxes of the Z/28.

It's clearly the best handling N/A camaro, it respects the heritage.

The 5th gen car simply put a lot of expectations on the badge

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I've already said as much, that the 1LE is essentially the Z/28 already. You could throw some better suspension gear, maybe a slight HP bump if you want, and call it the Z/28.

There is no real need for some mythical, 5th gen like Z/28....that's what the ZL1 1LE already is....

Now, if you want to go SS 1LE and add the DSSV and a few other choice goodies to it...even better..

Perhaps, have additional options such as: CC brakes, rear seat delete, other? Start it at ~$50k and top it out at ~$60k.

[cmancha003]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

Perhaps, have additional options such as: CC brakes, rear seat delete, other? Start it at ~$50k and top it out at ~$60k.

I don't think they will ever do a seat delete from the factory. I want to say that Al has stated that in an interview.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by cmancha003

I don't think they will ever do a seat delete from the factory. I want to say that Al has stated that in an interview.

Yea, no big deal. I was just bouncing ideas around.

I believe this is their best bet. Essentially, a more hardcore version of the SS 1LE. From both performance and price standpoints, it would fall about 3/4 of the way up the Camaro model list. Perfect!