[shaffe]

Originally Posted by JROC

You are correct. For some reason I was reading ZL1 instead of ZR1. My bad.

Pretty sure the ZR1 makes noticeably more torque than the GT500 by close to 100 lb-ft if I remember correctly. Also what compression are both motors running? That would make a noticeable difference.

GM typically sets up their motors to have a broader and more linear powerband compared to the Coyote based motors even though I'm sure the GT500 motor is pretty strong most everywhere. Just like with an LSx the GEN5 motors personality is easily manipulated by a cam swap.

according to the google machine

LT 5 is 10:1 compression ratio, the predator is 9.5:1

The LT5 makes 90 more FT/Lbs of torque

The predator makes 625 ft/lbs from 3k-7500

[Nightfall ss1le]

I can’t help but cringe every time someone brings up HP per liter. Worst possible metric there is for comparing motors. Besides, that 5.2 is the larger motor in terms of space taken up.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by shaffe

according to the google machine

LT 5 is 10:1 compression ratio, the predator is 9.5:1

The LT5 makes 90 more FT/Lbs of torque

The predator makes 625 ft/lbs from 3k-7500

Interesting how the LT5 has only a slightly higher compression ratio, given it has port and direct injection while the Predator is only port injected.

['10CamaroDude]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

The GT500 has a DOHC engine (as Ford has used in the Mustang for decades). The Vette has a pushrod engine (as Chevrolet has used for decades). The cubes may be more for the Vette, but put side by side, the DOHC engine is much larger, whereas the pushrod is very compact.

Not true... The 5.2, 4.6, and 4.0s are not DOHC.
The 05-09 Range S197 Mustang GT500s are the 5.4 SOHC, NOT the DOHC Coyote.

Decades (plural) means at least 20 years, and the Coyote is the DOHC
they have been using since 2011, so just under ONE Decade. I am from a
family of Mustang owners, and I have one, they have NOT been using
DOHC engines in the MUSTANG for DECADES.


The new GT500, -vs- Dodge's and Chevy's top of the line Challenger, and Camaro, the
GT500 won every time.

[102SS]

Originally Posted by weSS1LEy

Yes I just meant less cubes and less boost equals same power.

4 Cams 4 valves per cylinder and 1000rpm higher redline.

The thing that really matters is torque and that high revving 4 cammer makes a lot less at 625lb feet and the tq peak is something like 5000rpm.

GM believes in power and tq through the whole rev range rather than peak numbers which can be very misleading.

Fords engine is also heavier.

The Camaro ZL1 1LE just topped the GT500 in C&D's March 2020 edition with 110 less HP!

You need to put the power to the ground or its useless.

[JROC]

Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

Not true... The 5.2, 4.6, and 4.0s are not DOHC.
The 05-09 Range S197 Mustang GT500s are the 5.4 SOHC, NOT the DOHC Coyote.

Decades (plural) means at least 20 years, and the Coyote is the DOHC
they have been using since 2011, so just under ONE Decade. I am from a
family of Mustang owners, and I have one, they have NOT been using
DOHC engines in the MUSTANG for DECADES.


The new GT500, -vs- Dodge's and Chevy's top of the line Challenger, and Camaro, the
GT500 won every time.

What are you talking about? The 1996 Cobra introduced a 4.6L DOHC motor into the Mustang. All Modular SVT Mustangs used DOHC motors. Seeing as how they were introduced in 95 as 96 year model cars basically 24.5 years ago. The Lincoln Mark VIII introduced the first Modular DOHC motor in 92 as a 93 year model car. 98 or 99 was the first year for the 5.4L DOHC motor which sold in the Navigator. The 2000 Cobra R used a 5.4L DOHC motor. Terminators are a Modular 4.6L DOHC car. The 03/04 Mach 1's were the first non-SVT Mustangs sold by Ford that came with DOHC motors. The 03/04 Mercury Marauders used the Mach 1's 4.6L DOHC motor. The 07 GT500 introduced the DOHC's to the S197 in the forum of a 5.4L. The 05/06 FGT used a 5.4L DOHC motor. The Trinity motor in the 13/14 GT500 is a Modular 5.4L DOHC based motor which upped the bore diameter a little and produced 5.8L of displacement.

There were quite a few cars (including Mustangs) sold by FoMoCo and some of the companys that branch off it that sold Modular DOHC cars nearly two decades before Coyote was even introduced. In fact the Coyote in just the evolution of the Modular DOHC motor. It's block shares the same footprint as a Modular 4.6L. While it's quite different and improved in certain area's, in many ways they are very similar. Think of it as being similar to comparing the GEN4 vs GEN5 SBC motors to each other.

[weSS1LEy]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Educate yourself

My statement should have been a question. I am trying to educate myself with this thread. Thanks for your help 👍

['10CamaroDude]

Originally Posted by JROC

What are you talking about? The 1996 Cobra introduced a 4.6L DOHC motor into the Mustang. All Modular SVT Mustangs used DOHC motors. Seeing as how they were introduced in 95 as 96 year model cars basically 24.5 years ago. The Lincoln Mark VIII introduced the first Modular DOHC motor in 92 as a 93 year model car. 98 or 99 was the first year for the 5.4L DOHC motor which sold in the Navigator. The 2000 Cobra R used a 5.4L DOHC motor. Terminators are a Modular 4.6L DOHC car. The 03/04 Mach 1's were the first non-SVT Mustangs sold by Ford that came with DOHC motors. The 03/04 Mercury Marauders used the Mach 1's 4.6L DOHC motor. The 07 GT500 introduced the DOHC's to the S197 in the forum of a 5.4L. The 05/06 FGT used a 5.4L DOHC motor. The Trinity motor in the 13/14 GT500 is a Modular 5.4L DOHC based motor which upped the bore diameter a little and produced 5.8L of displacement.

There were quite a few cars (including Mustangs) sold by FoMoCo and some of the companys that branch off it that sold Modular DOHC cars nearly two decades before Coyote was even introduced. In fact the Coyote in just the evolution of the Modular DOHC motor. It's block shares the same footprint as a Modular 4.6L. While it's quite different and improved in certain area's, in many ways they are very similar. Think of it as being similar to comparing the GEN4 vs GEN5 SBC motors to each other.

YOU, apparently did not read what I said, so I am not going to bother
and talk to someone who doesn't pay attention. Whatever you say, Bub.

[weSS1LEy]

Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

YOU, apparently did not read what I said, so I am not going to bother
and talk to someone who doesn't pay attention. Whatever you say, Bub.

Fordauthority says 5.2 voodoo and 5.2 predator are dohc. I don’t think this is debatable.

[JROC]

Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

YOU, apparently did not read what I said, so I am not going to bother
and talk to someone who doesn't pay attention. Whatever you say, Bub.

I'm sorry you have issues with grammar, Bro. When I examine what you said closely you corrected someone that claimed that Ford has been using DOHC motors in Mustangs for decades. You claimed that Ford introduced Coyote in the 2011 year model Mustangs (this is correct) and you claim that the 5.2L, 4.6L, and 4.0L aren't DOHC motors. I'm going to assume that you meant 5.4L instead of 5.2L, but all the new 5.2L's are DOHC, all the 5.4L's used in factory Mustangs were DOHC, but there were 16 and 24 valve SOHC versions used in other vehicles as well. As for the 4.6L it also came in 16/24 valve SOHC configurations, and a 32V DOHC configuration.

Then you claim that you come from a Mustang family and that you own one. Okay, well of the Mustangs I currently own I've had my 03 Cobra since 2006, and my 88 GT since 2010, and of the other Fords I currently own I've had my 03 Lightning since 2010 and my 13 Taurus for a year this month.

Finally you said and I quote:

they have NOT been using
DOHC engines in the MUSTANG for DECADES.

In fact they have. Almost 2.5 decades now.

['10CamaroDude]

So, you want to consider skipping some 05-10 S197 mustangs with DOHC as DECADES?
One or two years a platform, you can get a DOHC engine, and that's DECADES? If it
were a continual, EVERY YEAR option, then I would agree, but it's not.

So, the SVT Cobras had a 4.6 4V DOHC, 2 years here, 3-years there, a DECADE?
1996–1998, 1999, 2001, 2003–2004 - STOP, that's EIGHT years, oh, juts shy a
decade.

The 4-valve DOHC version of the Modular engine was introduced in the 1993
Lincoln Mark III, and was used WELL before the Mustang. YOU CAN SAY, FORD
has been using a DOHC for decades across platforms. You said they were using
DOHC in the Mustang for DECADES. That's not 100% true.


Then you had FOUR years, from 2007 to 2010, with the 5.2s in the GT500, and KR,
not a Decade either, that's four years for the 05-10 run of the S197s. Then the
Coyote in 2011 to 2020, so that's ONE continual decade of a DOHC motor planted
in a MUSTANG. I do not consider DECADES, when it's spaced out, not continual.

You want to say 2.5 decades, when it is not a continual, or consecutive run of
mustangs with a DOHC engine for EVERY SINGLE YEAR, since 1995, when 1996 was
the 1st year for the DOHC mustang SVT.

So, go on with your DECADES for mustang, when the sporadic years don't equal
2.5 decades total.

YOU SAID MUSTANGS, not other models, so don't add your OTHER models to
justify your decades for MUSTANG claim. Decades for FORD; you bet, but for
Mustangs, NO.

[JROC]

Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

So, you want to consider skipping some 05-10 S197 mustangs with DOHC as DECADES?
One or two years a platform, you can get a DOHC engine, and that's DECADES? If it
were a continual, EVERY YEAR option, then I would agree, but it's not.

So, the SVT Cobras had a 4.6 4V DOHC, 2 years here, 3-years there, a DECADE?
1996–1998, 1999, 2001, 2003–2004 - STOP, that's EIGHT years, oh, juts shy a
decade.

The 4-valve DOHC version of the Modular engine was introduced in the 1993
Lincoln Mark III, and was used WELL before the Mustang. YOU CAN SAY, FORD
has been using a DOHC for decades across platforms. You said they were using
DOHC in the Mustang for DECADES. That's not 100% true.


Then you had FOUR years, from 2007 to 2010, with the 5.2s in the GT500, and KR,
not a Decade either, that's four years for the 05-10 run of the S197s. Then the
Coyote in 2011 to 2020, so that's ONE continual decade of a DOHC motor planted
in a MUSTANG. I do not consider DECADES, when it's spaced out, not continual.

You want to say 2.5 decades, when it is not a continual, or consecutive run of
mustangs with a DOHC engine for EVERY SINGLE YEAR, since 1995, when 1996 was
the 1st year for the DOHC mustang SVT.

So, go on with your DECADES for mustang, when the sporadic years don't equal
2.5 decades total.

YOU SAID MUSTANGS, not other models, so don't add your OTHER models to
justify your decades for MUSTANG claim. Decades for FORD; you bet, but for
Mustangs, NO.

You exude female energy. How old are you? You try and distort the narrative of the debate to fit you argument. Ford first started putting DOHC motors in Mustangs back in 96. That's almost 2.5 decades. But I play along with this new narrative that you're trying to push. 96-99 Cobras used a DOHC 4.6L, 2000 Cobra R a 5.4L DOHC, 01/02 Cobras used a 4.6L DOHC motors. (and yes a limited # of 02 Cobras were sold in Australia) In 03/04 you had both the Cobra and Mach 1's with DOHC 4.6L. There were no factory Mustang sold with DOHC motors in the year models of 05/06. In 07-12 the GT500 which were SVT vehicles so factory Fords used a 5.4L DOHC. In 13-14 the GT500 used the 5.8L DOHC motor. Obviously the GT's got the Coyote in 11 up until press, along with all other models of Mustang that were introduced since 2011 using DOHC motors regardless of cylinder count. So all but 2 years of Mustang getting at least one model of Mustang to use a DOHC motor since 1996. That = 22 years.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

Not true... The 5.2, 4.6, and 4.0s are not DOHC.
The 05-09 Range S197 Mustang GT500s are the 5.4 SOHC, NOT the DOHC Coyote.

Decades (plural) means at least 20 years, and the Coyote is the DOHC
they have been using since 2011, so just under ONE Decade. I am from a
family of Mustang owners, and I have one, they have NOT been using
DOHC engines in the MUSTANG for DECADES.


The new GT500, -vs- Dodge's and Chevy's top of the line Challenger, and Camaro, the
GT500 won every time.

The Mustang has been using DOHC variations since '96 (the '96 SVT Cobra was the first: 32v 4.6L DOHC), so I don't know where you're trying to go with this. The 32v was used from '96 to '01, then the Terminators used a supercharged version in '03 & '04. Also, during this time, the '03 & '04 Mach 1's used the 32v. From there, there was a DOHC hiatus in the Mustang until '11 when it came back in Coyote form (not counting the '07-'14 GT500's that still used supercharged 5.4L and 5.8L DOHC engines). During this time, The Mustang GT used a SOHC, but Ford was still using DOHC versions for use in other Ford vehicles. So, as you can see, the Mustang has been receiving DOHC variations for decades. '96 is 24 years ago. If you do not feel as if "decades" is correct because it was not continual, that is certainly your God given right.

I'm not here to keyboard fight. It is childish, unintelligent and just plain bush-league. The majority of us enjoy having rational discussions with other friendly members.

['10CamaroDude]

Originally Posted by JROC

You exude female energy.

You exude gayness, with flamboyancy.

Remember, you tossed the first stone, ******.