[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by RCF

I could be wrong, but I believe that Mass Air Flow is actually calculated (not directly measured) using some constants (like maybe intake size/restriction of intake pipe, etc.) along with the info (air density) from the MAF sensor (why its called a sensor and not a meter most likely). So when you change the intake, the constants in the calculation are incorrect. If those changes are significant enough, it could cause a CEL - don't think there are any absolutes here.

I know on the 5th gen everybody seemed to do the cai mod with little trouble of any kind. I know the LT1 is different but I cant see it being off the charts that sensetive. I provided a link to the Rotofab cai which is very good and it clearly states no tune required...but who knows.

[MGD]

You're right, the values are calculated.

There are two common types of mass airflow sensors in use on automotive engines. These are the vane meter and the hot wire, (which we have). Neither design employs technology that measures air mass directly. However, with additional sensors and inputs, an engine's ECU can determine the mass flow rate of intake air.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

I know on the 5th gen everybody seemed to do the cai mod with little trouble of any kind. I know the LT1 is different but I cant see it being off the charts that sensetive. I provided a link to the Rotofab cai which is very good and it clearly states no tune required...but who knows.

Last I heard none of the cold air kits for the LT1 caused a CEL (including the CAI one this is based on). Some definitely threw the MAF tables off which could cause driveability/emissions issues. I'm thinking the mention of CEL is a scare tactic to push the tune and eliminate the possibility of issues down the road.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Its hard to say but this may be GMs way of dipping into the aftermarket business and adding a step {tune} that may or may not be needed. How are they telling you that they can tell if a cai has been installed? Ive never ever heard that. The maf adjusts to whatever is going on.

The article with Al's quote is below.

This unit is identical to the Cold Air Inductions but with a tune. My expectation would be that the tune optimizes for max performance.

http://www.phastekperformance.com/20...r-intake-1.htm

The man behind it? Non other than Al Oppenheiser, the Camaro ZL1's chief engineer, a diehard automotive wizard who gives credence to the "gearhead" appellation. "If you're not modifying your car and you take your production car to a track day and you have an issue with one of your parts, it's covered under warranty," he recently told Motor Authority. "We know when somebody changes their ECM calibration and we know if they changed to a cold-air intake, we can tell all that. But driving it as you break it in from the dealership, if you have a half-shaft or whatever, it's covered

https://www.google.com/amp/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/amp28688/chevrolet-will-honor-your-camaros-warranty-if-you-take-it-to-the-track/

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Last I heard none of the cold air kits for the LT1 caused a CEL (including the CAI one this is based on). Some definitely threw the MAF tables off which could cause driveability/emissions issues. I'm thinking the mention of CEL is a scare tactic to push the tune and eliminate the possibility of issues down the road.

This I would believe. If you look at all the states the GM cai is not legal it makes me wonder what the tune auctually does that the car doesnt adjust to itself. If the tune helps emissions then it should be legal everywhere considering its a factory direct replacement. And a cai isnt going to blow you away with performance anyway.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

This I would believe. If you look at all the states the GM cai is not legal it makes me wonder what the tune auctually does that the car doesnt adjust to itself. If the tune helps emissions then it should be legal everywhere considering its a factory direct replacement. And a cai isnt going to blow you away with performance anyway.

This assumes that CARB is a rational organization.

[cellsafemode]

CARB is rational, it's just that it's rules are inflexible and maybe overreaching.

The reason it's not CARB compliant has nothing to do with the tune. It has to do with the intake not using the carbon filter pad on top of the intake not being submitted for compliance testing.

[KILLA BEE]

Originally Posted by Ruebernard

Well, it was installed today thanks to our friend Matt @ thatgmpartsguy.com They did the tune which is probably more for emissions purposes. The seat of the pants test came back a big grin and two thumbs up. Thanks again Matt!

I Don't think anyone is reading your reply.
This is PROOF FROM SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY PURCHASED IT AND LOVES IT. I think no matter what results come back from anyone, dyno test etc. There are still gonna be those our there in denial..Congrats On glad you like bro!!!!!!!

[Gen-X45]

I'm going to duct-tape a chunk of dry ice to the inside of the stock box. That will let in some cool air.

[cellsafemode]

yea, but it'll be mostly CO2 and probably stall your engine. You'd have to find some way to vent the dry ice outside of the intake.

A viable solution would be to just implement a water injection system to cool the air. Then if you want, you could use the dry ice to cool the reservoir, if you're careful not to freeze it solid.

joke fail.

[Ruebernard]

Originally Posted by KILLA BEE

I Don't think anyone is reading your reply.
This is PROOF FROM SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY PURCHASED IT AND LOVES IT. I think no matter what results come back from anyone, dyno test etc. There are still gonna be those our there in denial..Congrats On glad you like bro!!!!!!!

That's ok. Thanks Killa!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Ruebernard

That's ok. Thanks Killa!

I think it looks great and I texted your picture to several friends. Clean and I like the Chevy Performance tag on it. Warranty with tune means I'm in but will wait until fall now that temps are up anyway.

[hotlap]

Ok...so the Demon is advertised as stock even though the crate, with CAI, tune and skinnies,. is provide over the parts counter. Does this CAI counts as stock? ...like other LPO options (6-piston brakes)?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Ok...so the Demon is advertised as stock even though the crate, with CAI, tune and skinnies,. is provide over the parts counter. Does this CAI counts as stock? ...like other LPO options (6-piston brakes)?

Easy question can you order the vehicle with this as one of the options? If no then it is not stock. Think of it this way Ford offers supercharger kits for the 5.0 should these be be considered stock?