[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by IOMike

If the Gt500 has a TTv6, it doesn't matter how much power it has, I could not care less about it.

I don't think Ford would make that mistake. I'm betting it will have a TTv8

Ford only "needs" to top the Trinity's 662hp. The gen2 3.5EB should be capable of this, especially seeing as the engine architecture allows for it to be safely opened up to 4.0L without issue.

Add to that the fact that the 3.5EB has a dry weight of 449lbs and a Coyote's dry weight is 444lbs. Meaning that once turbos, piping, intercooler, etc are all added to the V8 the weight only goes up.

Doing things like utilizing a lighter engine, that can provide acceptable power for this application, moving the battery to the rear, and other weight saving options can only be a good thing.

The only people Ford would have to worry about alienating are those "but, but, muh vee-aight motuur" crowd.



But in the end I do agree it'll be something along the lines of a CPC 5.2-5.4L TT-V8. They can even use it as an optional upgrade power plant in Raptor a year or so after it launches. And I have no problem with that.

[TommyV]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Dang, and that's with a SRA. The new 500 should be a beast.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Yeah, it was half.

Sure, the handling wasn't exactly on par but it wasn't that far behind.

This illustration is very miss leading. Almost every time the 500 was taken to the track the test crew reported that performance would drastically drop off after the 1st or 2nd lap then the ZL1 would come around. So I guess if you were going to go to the track and pay the extremely high entrance fees, and additional costs and you only wanted to run 1-2 laps at speed the 500 would have been your car.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by newmoon

This illustration is very miss leading. Almost every time the 500 was taken to the track the test crew reported that performance would drastically drop off after the 1st or 2nd lap then the ZL1 would come around. So I guess if you were going to go to the track and pay the extremely high entrance fees, and additional costs and you only wanted to run 1-2 laps at speed the 500 would have been your car.

IIRC The GT500 had brake fade. I believe some people posted it was easily fixed by swapping brake fluid to a higher performance one, ( I even think the owners manual says to do that)

[gen6waiter]

Originally Posted by Sven59

When the ZL1 came out it was faster and more hp than the current Mustang or Challenger. It ran the ring in 7:41. The ZL1 ran 3.9 and 12.1 and the GT500 ran 4.0 and 12.3. And 4 years later the ZL1 is still faster around a track that the Challenger and GT 500.

love how u pick the best 0-60 and 1/4 time for the ZL1 and pick the worse for the GT500.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by shaffe

IIRC The GT500 had brake fade. I believe some people posted it was easily fixed by swapping brake fluid to a higher performance one, ( I even think the owners manual says to do that)

+1

it was the brake fluid that was the culprit. Super easy fix.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

+1

it was the brake fluid that was the culprit. Super easy fix.

The solid rear axle didn't help a lot.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

+1

it was the brake fluid that was the culprit. Super easy fix.

And you needed to get the track package and performance package on top of that. A base gt500 will not do well on the track. Plus those 13.8" single piston rear brakes don't help much.

[Chad0311]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

The only people Ford would have to worry about alienating are those "but, but, muh vee-aight motuur" crowd.

So, roughly half of the fan base then?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by gen6waiter

love how u pick the best 0-60 and 1/4 time for the ZL1 and pick the worse for the GT500.

I picked them from the same site. I didn't shop for times.

[mlee]

I'm betting we see better than published times for the 17 ZL1.

I now goes 0-60 in 1st gear for the M6.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Yeah, it was half.

Sure, the handling wasn't exactly on par but it wasn't that far behind.

Was it that the handling wasn't far behind or was the deficit closed with POWAH. 5.8 lb/hp vs 7.1 lb/hp.

The gen5 ZL1 was a more refined car and reading the conclusions of those test will tell you just that.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Was it that the handling wasn't far behind or was the deficit closed with POWAH. 5.8 lb/hp vs 7.1 lb/hp.

The gen5 ZL1 was a more refined car and reading the conclusions of those test will tell you just that.

With a live-rear it was a point and shoot, brake hard, turn...repeat. It was the power that kept it competitive, hence no more LRA.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

With a live-rear it was a point and shoot, brake hard, turn...repeat. It was the power that kept it competitive, hence no more LRA.

I wonder also how much fight it took from these professional drivers on the GT500 with that LRA.

I bet in the hands of regular folks the ability to push the car took much less white knuckles and sweat in the ZL1.

At the end of the day we still don't know for sure about the next ZL1, though we have enough info to start assuming it will be a great car and steps better than last ZL1.

As far as the next GT500, lol, we don't know jack, so the comparison is premature.