[Merc]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

ZL WON doesn't post much that I've seen, but this should clear it up. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...504103&page=51
If drag radials are allowed on the bone stock list now, he's where he needs to be. If not, then his time just needs moved to the bolt on list.

My pass was also ran on 12/1/17 if you want to correct that for future reference. I may not make anymore bone stock passes as I plan on putting tires on my car. Even if I do run on the factory tires again, it'll be unlikely I'll go faster than that one.

OK I'm assuming the times need to be swapped between list's? I'll do that and fix the date on your pass. This is why members will have to reference the Category # from this day forward to be listed, which was a requirement since day 1 as posted in the 1st post of all the Fast List's threads I manage on both C5 and C6.

[Shorty45]

Hey Merc, in C8 I’m still showing that I have A10 trans. Needs to reflect that I have M6. I sent you msg a couple weeks back.

Thanks very much!

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Merc

OK I'm assuming the times need to be swapped between list's? I'll do that and fix the date on your pass. This is why members will have to reference the Category # from this day forward to be listed, which was a requirement since day 1 as posted in the 1st post of all the Fast List's threads I manage on both C5 and C6.

Right. His 10.98 on the bone stock list needs to replace his 11.16 or whatever it was on the bolt on list, so he should be at the top of that list now. He's only posted times with drag radials so far.

I completely undestand. It's a lot to keep up with and we appreciate it.

[Merc]

Originally Posted by Lt1z350

Merc since you set the rules for this stuff I assume how about mods that aren’t supporting power gains fuild swaps plug wires crush pipe under diff beat out but system still stick otherswise and cats in place no cut out. If you don’t know the zl1 will not take mod support with no tune it just closes the throttle more I have been trying everything and the more I do the more the throttle closes on stock tune. So I can’t put everything back to be allowed on the stock list for a run this weekend. I’m trying to be honest here but know others run on mods and say still stock from other posts they made. But to be fair my car has msd wires as I had a bad one stock and I fixed my crush pipes as made car sound better. I hate to be forced into a category with drag radials and other mods as I have spark plug wires and a crush pipe mod which many argue does nothing anyway. It all about launch on the zl1 and if can hook in first 300 foot well and believe I have a chance to break 10s on my stock tire. So wanted to ask before I go and fight a stock tire just to be stuck in a mod class. Thanks

Wish I could help you! Stock means it still has the air in the tires that came with from the factory, if I start making exceptions from the stock rules I will be opening Pandora's box which I'm not willing to do. That will cause no end of grief going forward.

[Merc]

I believe Catergories 7 & 8 are corrected now I hope?

[Merc]

Originally Posted by Lt1z350

Ok so no one fits that requirement then. Many have gone to Mobil 1 oil or put on other tires not drag radials sure some have a k&n drop in filter in it so on so most likely no one will fit that requirement and if do right now they won’t anymore very soon as most need Tires by 3-5k. So this whole list will go completely stale before next year and no one will be posting to it. With many showing up used with 5-15k on them they will be on a tire and most likely some other mods they might not even know about. So as claim stock runs they won’t be. Don’t get me wrong dave worked hard to get his 10.89 or whatever it is but soon the 17 guys on the list won’t be able to post any more and list is useless. Many mods do zero for the track if your icing the blower or letting car cool off and making a hero run on the car. But some of the mods will help on the street roll racing just spirted driving even reliability of the engine keeping temps lower. The only difference e at the track is going to be Tires or tune to no tune. So next year when everyone is on Tires at least no longer stock this list will be useless and everyone grouped into the mod list which bolt ons or stupid little things like I have done will be grouped with guys having pulleys and a tune on a drag radial. So to keep groups more fair and more about the driver honestly it would be more fair to class then a little different. If you look at our other list guys with cai and even exhaust with no tune are no faster then guys they still are stock. I never got a chance in good weather as many never did and this car will peak out at the same no matter what you do if no tune.
So what it boils down to is have a list that goes stale and never is updated or change it up a bit. Have stock list being on a stock style tire no drag radial and stock as far as no boost increase no tune. Cai cat back fluids plug wires a short list of mods that really don’t do crap anyway at the track that guys will do more for street or yes hot lapping the car at the tea k will help but when comes down to it a cool car is only going to go as fast as the driver can do no matter the mods if on a stock tune and radial tire. Dave got into the 10s cause he had great weather and knows his car and can drive it. If my car with plug wires different fluids and crush pipe delete goes faster which it probably won’t but if did it isn’t my mods it’s I got lucky and had better track conditions. What the list is doing now is creating a list that’s going to die then one that is going to be spread all over the place. Maybe ask the community I’ll do the leg work start a thread even come up with 2 or 3 different lists that everyone can agree on. What makes this fun is trying to top the next guy. Out smart them out drive them push them harder. You get beat you go back and try to get it back but if we have the two main groups as of now the one goes stale and other guys that tune and do pulleys will alsways be on top of us not wanting to void a warranty yet by not tuning the car. So those with no tune will never be able to get to or near that top spot and at that point no fun so why post anymore. I don’t want to take anything from dave or big dave but I chose to change some stuff hoping for a result that didn’t happen how I expected now stuck short of lying about the car or being put on a list with someone that might do a tune pulley setup and crush my stock tune stock tire time because I have msd wires and crush pipe delete or someone with a cai and drag radial. I think I have a valid point just asking to open up or add another list. Yes I’m sorry it will probably be more work and I’ll take what ever bring of it I can. But as of now we have lists that are empty anyway and would be much easier to group the cars into the lists I am talking about so guys on certain levels can still be competitive and shoot for the top. I’m probably the only person trying to keep things fair and not just lie about the car and what’s done to it. But what’s the fun for dave if no one had the chance to beat him making him have to go work harder? Hell I share most of what I do on these boards anyway then comes down to who drives the best as even without a tire a few of us are out 60 footing those on drag radials. I am just trying to make this all more fun and make a little more sense for how the car reacts to any mod with out any tune. Thanks for all you do.

Fluids and oil filters are not an issue, tires, CAI's, exhaust mod's and plug wires are! Most Guy's try and leave a mark on the Stock lists and then move on to Bolt On's, Bolt On's with Internals and so on as they Mod their Maro's.

I have no intention in changing the Rules or adding more list's. Sorry if it does not work for you. I have been hanging in the Top Ten C5 Bolt On's list for a while trying get to number 5 and the Fastest Bolt On M6 car. The 1st four cars are auto's and I didn't make a separate list for M6 cars and had I done that I would be number 3 rather then number 8. C5 Bolt On list is probably one of the toughest Sand Box's to play in on C5. Yes some of the List's may go a little stale cause the Guy's at the top have laid down some pretty stout numbers that are hard to beat!

[Red Hot 2017 SS]

Went to my local Track To tonight for T&T car ran 12.098@113.78 1.85 60ft Bone Stock On Street tires Track was PBIR Temp 69 degresss time was 6:38 pm DA 706

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Merc

I believe Catergories 7 & 8 are corrected now I hope?

Close! ZL WON has never posted a time with factory tires, so his time you moved up to the bone stock list just needed to be replaced with his faster one on the bolt on list. So simply removing his time that's now on the bone stock list makes it right.

[Merc]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Close! ZL WON has never posted a time with factory tires, so his time you moved up to the bone stock list just needed to be replaced with his faster one on the bolt on list. So simply removing his time that's now on the bone stock list makes it right.

Done. THX!

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Merc

Done. THX!

Thank you!

[laynlo15]

Yup, that's the same photographer. I think he goes to dozen of events each year.

[dfw16ss]

Posting for list #3 V8 1/4 mile bolt on list

2016 2SS A8, Pray Performance tune, Flowmaster Axle back, e85, Mickey Thompson DR's on stock 20" wheels

R/T: .076
60': 1.682
330': 4.784
660': 7.35
MPH: 94.66
1000' 9.547
ET 11.417
MPH 118.78

Name/Location of the track: Texas Motorplex Ennis TX
Date of pass: 12/16/2017
Weather conditions: DA 439' 58 degrees, 30.13 pressure,41% humidity

[jw0287]

Originally Posted by Red Hot 2017 SS

Went to my local Track To tonight for T&T car ran 12.098@113.78 1.85 60ft Bone Stock On Street tires Track was PBIR Temp 69 degresss time was 6:38 pm DA 706

Nice runs.

that 706 is good for us - I been there 3 times or 4 times now.

Track prep usually not so good.

But that da got you there cuz I ran a worse time with a better 60' with a 1700DA

Nice job and keep pushing.

[jw0287]

Originally Posted by dfw16ss

Posting for list #3 V8 1/4 mile bolt on list

2016 2SS A8, Pray Performance tune, Flowmaster Axle back, e85, Mickey Thompson DR's on stock 20" wheels

R/T: .076
60': 1.682
330': 4.784
660': 7.35
MPH: 94.66
1000' 9.547
ET 11.417
MPH 118.78

Name/Location of the track: Texas Motorplex Ennis TX
Date of pass: 12/16/2017
Weather conditions: DA 439' 58 degrees, 30.13 pressure,41% humidity

nice run - e85, tune and drag rad. with a -500DA full drag pack (front skinny helps with rolling resistance maybe a.1 gain) and maybe prays ported TB and IM you could be 10.999999999999999999999