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Yes, you may be right but that falls on a different category which is marketing. Chevy is not advertising the Camaro as other manufacturers advertise their cars. Even when the gen 5 cam out, there were little commercials. It was popular because of the transformers movie. Also Chevy wants to go the electric car route and try to jump on the bandwagon like everybody else. They are trying to dictate to the market what people should buy instead of making what people want to buy. And maybe they are right, most people will probably be happy with an electric car and that is to the detriment of the traditional car enthusiast, who loves the big V8, a manual transmission and the smell of gas in their tank.
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If you want a comparison of what is possible, go read the reviews for the Mercedes EQS AMG. I don't find it very attractive, but AMG is all about the engaged performance of MB including the NVH concerns may are expressing. The reviews suggest it doesn't hit a home run (my interpretation) for many of the concerns in this and other threads, but it shows what the AMG division is capable of with a luxury EV and putting their performance spin on it. A great first step, but maybe only a solid single in the "engagement" department.
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If you prefer that raw, visceral feel with engine/exhaust noise, rise and fall through the RPM through the gear shifts and the associated vibration then you will more than likely be unimpressed in a performance EV even if the vehicle pins you in the seat from 0-100mph.
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But then they are overpaying in the used market since the dealers are selling the cars at an even higher price. They are also going used because theRe are no new cars on the lot. A used 2021 is typically listed higher than its original msrp in todays world. You can currently order a 2022 from some dealers and get it for msrp as long as you are willing to wait. Heck I even found a 2022 for msrp on a lot 100 miles away from me for msrp! It’s an SS 1le and while I would love to upgrade to a 1le, I think I’m going to stick to my original plan of waiting for used zl1 prices to come back CLOSE to normal. I understand it will never come back all the way.
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until they can build a sporty,2 door EV at a reasonable price,my 5th gen camaro is doomed to be on the road forever.dont want no steenkin 4 door...
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Chevy has never really been into marketing. Hell, they also don't advertise much about their Silverado/Suburban which is probably one of their more profitable platforms. When I talk to someone that's obviously a Ford guy and they claim how F150s outsell Chevy Silverados, I have to remind them that sure Ford spends so much money to make their F150 look like "America's best selling", but then GM sells more full sized regular duty trucks but badges them with GMC/Silverado badges. That's where GM is slick. If you're spending more money to sell a car just so that it sits at "Number 1", then are you really being profitable? GM has a strategy and works within that strategy often. |
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Imagine if you are the supplier for seatbelts. You don’t need chips to make seatbelts. But if the cars you supply seatbelts for aren’t getting built for lack of chips, you have to shut down and you have no revenue to cover fixed costs. Spread that across the entire supply base. That’s where we are now.
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I've heard chip manufacturers claim that auto manufacturers need to stop relying on older architecture. Which let's be honest, auto manufacturers have been dragging their feet when it comes to tech. Just look at the head units that they put in vehicles. How many new cars have you been in where the touch screen is about as responsive as a 5-10 year old iPad? If these manufacturers would start putting in better, more advanced tech then I am guessing chip makers could've continued supplying them. My guess is that chip manufacturers had to limit their production to the more profitable processors, and since the U.S. has essentially shipped manufacturing overseas, those microprocessors aren't prioritized. One of the things I do like about some of our recent laws is that they've tried to prioritize the U.S. being able to sustain itself and not rely so much on other countries. Hopefully the U.S. auto industry catches up with other industries. |
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The future done snuck up on us while we weren’t looking
The Porsche Taycan EV outsold the 911 sports car in 2021
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I know for Panamera and Cayenne, they just crank them out as many as they can as long as they sell. Taycan likely falls into this camp. These are the mass-produced stuff that isn't that special. Resale value will reflect that. Like, when you go to a Porsche dealer, you don't buy a new 911 or 718 off the lot. There is a couple for test driving, but you have to order your own if you want one. Cayenne and Panamera? They have quite a few of them on the lot and you can drive one home the same day. So... Not all that meaningful, as far as I am concerned. Also, a 4-door outsold a 2-door? What a surprise! Oh wait, that's like saying Camry outsold 488 by tenfold.
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limiting factor in 911 production is the factory capacity, they can only work 2 shifts, neighbors dont. want noise from trucks all night long, Taycan built next door in brand new modern factory, more capacity there
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