Homepage Garage Wiki Register Community Calendar Today's Posts Search
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > 2016+ Camaro: 6th Gen Camaro general forum


BeckyD @ James Martin Chevy


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-03-2019, 07:46 AM   #15
VinnAY
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 18 1SS/1LE
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Missouri
Posts: 939
OP doesn't know what a backfire is.
VinnAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 10:19 AM   #16
LT4Greg


 
LT4Greg's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,809
Anybody notice that Roto-Fab hasn’t chimed in on the post!!
__________________
ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.
LT4Greg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 11:26 AM   #17
ctrlz


 
Drives: 2017 2SS, 50th pkg, M6, MRC, NPP
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ocean City, NJ
Posts: 3,174
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue View Post
It is an airflow straightener to properly direct air across the MAF sensor.
This is exactly what it looks like to me!
Remove it and turbulent air hits the MAF, which will register as less mass. ECM will add less fuel. The car will feel more powerful and there will be less exhaust soot... because you are running lean. Not good.

O2 sensor will see this and bump the fuel trim.
I'm not exactly sure how the MAF reading vs O2 sensor tug-of-war plays out, but there are limits to the fuel trim side for sure.

Last edited by ctrlz; 12-03-2019 at 11:37 AM.
ctrlz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 12:51 PM   #18
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctrlz View Post
This is exactly what it looks like to me!
Remove it and turbulent air hits the MAF, which will register as less mass. ECM will add less fuel. The car will feel more powerful and there will be less exhaust soot... because you are running lean. Not good.

O2 sensor will see this and bump the fuel trim.
I'm not exactly sure how the MAF reading vs O2 sensor tug-of-war plays out, but there are limits to the fuel trim side for sure.
This is what happens exactly, you are right.
But the engine didn’t run lean, you can see the 2 videos.
But i do feel the engine is warmer than before, and it’s good for me, i live in cold area ( today morning it was -5 c / 24 F degrees)
In fact cats temperature sensors gives mor readings , more about 100 c degrees.

# Important Note : by adjusting the R-F filter inside the box ( turning the filter ) you can slightly have different numbers. So you can make the numbers as you wish.

For me : my choice for now during cold winter, LTFT +2 % while cruising. And under a higher load LTFT go to -1 %

Wisely i will adjust the filter in next summer, when it will be 20 c / 68 F degrees To have a more rich number ( safety).
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 12:57 PM   #19
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
That is what happens with my camaro exactly.
I’m not a YouTube-r or trying to , just trying to give my experience with the car, maybe it will be useful for somebody.

the 3 video shows/explain everything, so pls listen carefully & read t description.
Please be careful with your car. Don’t make any damage for you car or self.
Good luck
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:08 PM   #20
6spdhyperblue


 
Drives: 6th gen
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: US
Posts: 3,670
There are no cat temperature sensors.

The ltft goes to -1 under old because it’s a narrowband o2 sensor. Look up how they work.
That number under load doesn’t mean anything because you skewed the reference point
__________________
‘22 2SS 1LE M6 Summit White - RF, Flexfuel, LT2 intake, 95mm tb, ATI udp, VT ramair, full 28” dragpack - 11.68@122
‘16 1SS M6 LT2 intake + boltons on DR 11.0@126+ (Sold)
6spdhyperblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:12 PM   #21
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue View Post
There are no cat temperature sensors
There are 2
Next weekend i will film everything
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:14 PM   #22
6spdhyperblue


 
Drives: 6th gen
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: US
Posts: 3,670
Nope. Find the part number
__________________
‘22 2SS 1LE M6 Summit White - RF, Flexfuel, LT2 intake, 95mm tb, ATI udp, VT ramair, full 28” dragpack - 11.68@122
‘16 1SS M6 LT2 intake + boltons on DR 11.0@126+ (Sold)
6spdhyperblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:16 PM   #23
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue View Post
There are no cat temperature sensors.

The ltft goes to -1 under old because it’s a narrowband o2 sensor. Look up how they work.
That number under load doesn’t mean anything because you skewed the reference point
There are 2 OEM sensors for the 2 cats temperature.
Wait to the Saturday, Im busy now.
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:19 PM   #24
6spdhyperblue


 
Drives: 6th gen
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: US
Posts: 3,670
No there’s not. They are calculations by ecm
__________________
‘22 2SS 1LE M6 Summit White - RF, Flexfuel, LT2 intake, 95mm tb, ATI udp, VT ramair, full 28” dragpack - 11.68@122
‘16 1SS M6 LT2 intake + boltons on DR 11.0@126+ (Sold)
6spdhyperblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 01:40 PM   #25
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue View Post
No there’s not. They are calculations by ecm
What i have:
Cat 1 temperature
Cat 2 temperature

And always cat 2 little bet lower than cat 1, because always LTFT in bank 2 lower than bank 1.
Wait for the videos.
BTW; after this i will make a thread for cats temperature.
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 02:25 PM   #26
geaux_tigerss
 
geaux_tigerss's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Orange, TX
Posts: 740
Is there a way to report threads as garbage? I mean holy crap.

f.d, you don't know what you are doing, so I'm going to help you educate yourself in the hopes that this kind of stuff clogs the forums a bit less often.

This is a good idea of how your ECM controls your engine:
http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...vanced_e78.htm


This is a decent page on how mass air flow sensors work:
http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...vanced_e78.htm

The metal bit you are messing with is a simple flow conditioner that helps create a laminar (as opposed to turbulent) flow so the MAF is more accurate.

See here:
https://easterninstruments.blogspot....-profiler.html

You have negative LTFT because it is safer for an engine to start out too rich and tune leaner (which is how Chevrolet designed it), not the other way around. Your LTFT's will always change. Always. That is the whole point of closed loop combustion. Air density (via temperature and pressure - altitude), humidity, your fuel blend (octane, ethanol content, contaminants), engine wear, these things all affect combustion stoichiometry. This is why your LTFTs change all of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...bustion_engine

Put your intake back together the way it was designed, enjoy your car, and either learn more about this hobby or find a different one.


FWIW I attempted to tune my MAF after installing a Rotofab AND headers. It changed by 1.5% at MOST and in only a few cells - most were unchanged. I didn't even change the tune because it was within measurement noise.
__________________
2019 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4
Summit White
6" Lift, 37x13.50R24's
geaux_tigerss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 02:53 PM   #27
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by geaux_tigerss View Post
Is there a way to report threads as garbage? I mean holy crap.

f.d, you don't know what you are doing, so I'm going to help you educate yourself in the hopes that this kind of stuff clogs the forums a bit less often.

This is a good idea of how your ECM controls your engine:
http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...vanced_e78.htm


This is a decent page on how mass air flow sensors work:
http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...vanced_e78.htm

The metal bit you are messing with is a simple flow conditioner that helps create a laminar (as opposed to turbulent) flow so the MAF is more accurate.

See here:
https://easterninstruments.blogspot....-profiler.html

You have negative LTFT because it is safer for an engine to start out too rich and tune leaner (which is how Chevrolet designed it), not the other way around. Your LTFT's will always change. Always. That is the whole point of closed loop combustion. Air density (via temperature and pressure - altitude), humidity, your fuel blend (octane, ethanol content, contaminants), engine wear, these things all affect combustion stoichiometry. This is why your LTFTs change all of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...bustion_engine

Put your intake back together the way it was designed, enjoy your car, and either learn more about this hobby or find a different one.


FWIW I attempted to tune my MAF after installing a Rotofab AND headers. It changed by 1.5% at MOST and in only a few cells - most were unchanged. I didn't even change the tune because it was within measurement noise.
For me, all what you did write are garbage.
Keep it for yourself, Educate you self, start with (How to communicate with humans).
I’m not asking for your help.
I do what i want, it’s my car and i do what my choice.

Last edited by f.d; 12-03-2019 at 04:27 PM.
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2019, 02:59 PM   #28
f.d
 
Drives: camaro
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Every day some were
Posts: 116
For who is interesting:

See at 10:50 No bracket inside the GM performance CAI

https://youtu.be/QoLWMR3SLNE

It’s not a god how made R-F CAI.

Why Roto-Fab is 100% correct design, and GM CAI is not?!

Last edited by f.d; 12-03-2019 at 03:34 PM.
f.d is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.