[Todd in Vancouver]

Oh, I think the Dodge boys are fully aware and have just decided to drop the gloves and play for keeps.

Nasty99Z28' you signature almost made me snort my drink out my nose. Good one sir!

http://horsepowerkings.com/reports-a...update-coming/

[GriffJ]

Dodge pretty much bitch slapped GM and Ford with the Hellcat engine/8 speed. I'm not a fan of the charger/challenger looks myself, but that video of it raping a LT4 Z06 is insane.

I can possibly see Ford coming out with a monster GT500 to compete but I think us GM guys are screwed because of the vette. I also think that once they crack the ECU that we will see an easy 100hp they had to pull out because of emissions.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by GriffJ

Dodge pretty much bitch slapped GM and Ford with the Hellcat engine/8 speed. I'm not a fan of the charger/challenger looks myself, but that video of it raping a LT4 Z06 is insane.

I can possibly see Ford coming out with a monster GT500 to compete but I think us GM guys are screwed because of the vette. I also think that once they crack the ECU that we will see an easy 100hp they had to pull out because of emissions.

One thing to keep in mind is until someone in the aftermarket, like Paramount of Southern Hot Rod builds a beefed up (above the already beefed up) 8 Speed any power upgrades to the Hellcat motor is going to be like playing Russian roulette.

That being said, a friend of mine recently got his hands on a Hellcat (he has a hot rod shop here in Metro Portland) and he got some time alone with it, examining the engine, etc. He's a old NHRA Pro-Stocker and knows his stuff. That being said, he said that it's an 825HP engine, easy without fear of breaking with stock internals, right down the rod bolts.

Once the ECM is cracked and some parts are developed for it, we'll be seeing 1,000HP Hellcats, my guess is a lot sooner than most think.

[khell86]

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/

The Hellcat traps pretty close to the Z06. I wonder whats causing the Z06 to fall on its face after 130 mph?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by khell86

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/

The Hellcat traps pretty close to the Z06. I wonder whats causing the Z06 to fall on its face after 130 mph?

Pretty much what I would expect. Viper has best power/weight ratio. C6 ZR1 and C7 ZO6 nearly identical power/weight ratio. Hellcat, a solid 12 second car But trap speed spot-on for a 700hp car. Looks like they had fun!

Quickest ET List (street tires)

11.65 @ 131.04 mph (2.16 60′) – Viper TA “Nine Ball”
11.68 @ 131.27 mph (2.18 60′) – Viper TA “Sassy”
11.76 @ 127.91 mph (2.18 60′) – C6 ZR1 “Mark B”
11.77 @ 127.05 mph (2.06 60′) – C7 Z06 “robe38″
11.87 @ 127.95 mph (2.38 60′) – C7 Z06 “cdubb”
12.04 @ 134.65 mph (2.37 60′) – Viper SRT “Shooter”
12.11 @ 126.30 mph (2.17 60′) – Challenger Hellcat “Jerrod T”
DNF – Traction Issues – C7Z06 “zhopper05″

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by khell86

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/

The Hellcat traps pretty close to the Z06. I wonder whats causing the Z06 to fall on its face after 130 mph?

That's the question that is coming up everywhere. In almost every video, test and other situations the Z06 just...nopes after 130. The Hellcat is roughly a second slower to 60, but kicks the ever loving crap out of the Z06 in a 0-170 pull, taking 25 seconds vs the Z06's 29 seconds. Hell the Z06 takes a full 26 seconds to go from 60-170, where the Hellcat does the full run in 25 seconds.

I don't know what it is, but it's clear either by fault or design the Z06 was simply not designed to be dominant over 130

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

That's the question that is coming up everywhere. In almost every video, test and other situations the Z06 just...nopes after 130. The Hellcat is roughly a second slower to 60, but kicks the ever loving crap out of the Z06 in a 0-170 pull, taking 25 seconds vs the Z06's 29 seconds. Hell the Z06 takes a full 26 seconds to go from 60-170, where the Hellcat does the full run in 25 seconds.

I don't know what it is, but it's clear either by fault or design the Z06 was simply not designed to be dominant over 130

Aerodynamics may play a role considering the Z06 generates downforce which will slow a car down. Not entirely sure if the Hellcat generates downforce but if it does then its not as much as the Z06.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

Aerodynamics may play a role considering the Z06 generates downforce which will slow a car down. Not entirely sure if the Hellcat generates downforce but if it does then its not as much as the Z06.

Drag, or the cars Cd is what affects high speed runs, and the
ZO6 is better than the Hellcat in that respect. Down-force plays a much smaller role, only increasing rolling resistance a bit.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

That's the question that is coming up everywhere. In almost every video, test and other situations the Z06 just...nopes after 130. The Hellcat is roughly a second slower to 60, but kicks the ever loving crap out of the Z06 in a 0-170 pull, taking 25 seconds vs the Z06's 29 seconds. Hell the Z06 takes a full 26 seconds to go from 60-170, where the Hellcat does the full run in 25 seconds.

I don't know what it is, but it's clear either by fault or design the Z06 was simply not designed to be dominant over 130

Would it be more accurate to say 130 to 170 mph? In the 1/4 times listed above, the Z06 beat the Hellcat by 0.34 sec (manual verses Cat with auto)

Great for Autobahn racing but not really what the Z06 is designed for.

[DDoug]

Originally Posted by khell86

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/

The Hellcat traps pretty close to the Z06. I wonder whats causing the Z06 to fall on its face after 130 mph?

Hmmm, no GT-R?

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by chain777

Drag, or the cars Cd is what affects high speed runs, and the
ZO6 is better than the Hellcat in that respect. Down-force plays a much smaller role, only increasing rolling resistance a bit.

In the commentary for the Z06 lap around VIR the guy says it hits a wall at 150 with the Z07 package. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to be a Z07 packaged Corvette. The aero package can have a decent impact on top speed when compared to a car that probably produces very little downforce and also has more horsepower.

It also increases rolling resistance more than a little bit otherwise the new Z06 wouldn't be able to lap within 10 seconds of the race prepped Z06.R around Road Atlanta.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Pretty much what I would expect. Viper has best power/weight ratio. C6 ZR1 and C7 ZO6 nearly identical power/weight ratio. Hellcat, a solid 12 second car But trap speed spot-on for a 700hp car. Looks like they had fun!

Quickest ET List (street tires)

11.65 @ 131.04 mph (2.16 60′) – Viper TA “Nine Ball”
11.68 @ 131.27 mph (2.18 60′) – Viper TA “Sassy”
11.76 @ 127.91 mph (2.18 60′) – C6 ZR1 “Mark B”
11.77 @ 127.05 mph (2.06 60′) – C7 Z06 “robe38″
11.87 @ 127.95 mph (2.38 60′) – C7 Z06 “cdubb”
12.04 @ 134.65 mph (2.37 60′) – Viper SRT “Shooter”
12.11 @ 126.30 mph (2.17 60′) – Challenger Hellcat “Jerrod T”
DNF – Traction Issues – C7Z06 “zhopper05″

On street tires it's an animal but the next day he went HIGH 10's with just drag radials.

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

Oh, I think the Dodge boys are fully aware and have just decided to drop the gloves and play for keeps.

Nasty99Z28' you signature almost made me snort my drink out my nose. Good one sir!

]

Lol not everyone "gets it" but those that do enjoy and understand it.

Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

In the commentary for the Z06 lap around VIR the guy says it hits a wall at 150 with the Z07 package. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to be a Z07 packaged Corvette. The aero package can have a decent impact on top speed when compared to a car that probably produces very little downforce and also has more horsepower.

It also increases rolling resistance more than a little bit otherwise the new Z06 wouldn't be able to lap within 10 seconds of the race prepped Z06.R around Road Atlanta.

Sorry but the car getting gapped by the hellcat is only a stage 1 car.

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Sorry but the car getting gapped by the hellcat is only a stage 1 car.

No need to be sorry I'm not saying the Corvette should have won that race if it didn't have the Z07 package. Two completely different cars for completely different purposes. I'm not surprised it got beat in a roll race. If they had done it from a dig where the hellcat, and possiby the Z06, may have had traction issues then it may have had a different outcome.

[BaylorCamaro]

If you're buying the Z06/Z07 for drag racing / roll racing, you're doing it wrong.