[The Maverick]

The one thing that doesn't seem to have garnered much discussion is the impact of parts failure down the road. This would distinguish between those security options that are likely to be good for the life of the vehicle versus security options that have a reasonably forseeable life expectancy.

I see this as a two part question: 1) What components of the security device could fail and require replacement at some point in the future? (i.e. Mobilistics remote or relay fails - new purchase of the custom components is probably the only way to restore that security functionality.) 2) What factory components could fail and, upon replacement, impact the functioning of the security system?

It seems like Ravelco has the advantage on question 1, since both IGLA and Mobilistics have components that reasonably could fail at some point (although I am not going to speculate on expected life spans). On the other hand, the Ravelco doesn't seem to have any components that could fail or wear out, which seems to negate the IGLA advantage that it "fails open" -- which presents the downside that it leaves your vehicle without that security feature if it goes belly up at the wrong time.

Mobilistics is not impacted at all by the second question. It is not clear to me whether the the IGLA and Ravelco installations could be implicated in reasonably expected factory parts failures - apart from wiring harness issues (something that can be self-induced, via headers and wider wheels, for example).

The other piece of the equation is that there will be a spectrum on the parts failure question - ranging from expected, to reasonably likely, to merely possible or theoretical failure or replacement concerns.

Not trying to advocate for any one system here, just mentioning these questions, which I have had on my mind due to wondering about the longevity of the Mobilistics remote and relay.

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by dfxrte

got it! Makes sense. So with mobilistics you just pop their relay into a fuse location and on/off with the remote?

Yes. I open door with fob. With it you get a little fob you press first to enable ignition, then push the start button. It automatically sets to kill ignition after you leave car.

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by The Maverick

The one thing that doesn't seem to have garnered much discussion is the impact of parts failure down the road. This would distinguish between those security options that are likely to be good for the life of the vehicle versus security options that have a reasonably forseeable life expectancy.

I see this as a two part question: 1) What components of the security device could fail and require replacement at some point in the future? (i.e. Mobilistics remote or relay fails - new purchase of the custom components is probably the only way to restore that security functionality.) 2) What factory components could fail and, upon replacement, impact the functioning of the security system?

It seems like Ravelco has the advantage on question 1, since both IGLA and Mobilistics have components that reasonably could fail at some point (although I am not going to speculate on expected life spans). On the other hand, the Ravelco doesn't seem to have any components that could fail or wear out, which seems to negate the IGLA advantage that it "fails open" -- which presents the downside that it leaves your vehicle without that security feature if it goes belly up at the wrong time.

Mobilistics is not impacted at all by the second question. It is not clear to me whether the the IGLA and Ravelco installations could be implicated in reasonably expected factory parts failures - apart from wiring harness issues (something that can be self-induced, via headers and wider wheels, for example).

The other piece of the equation is that there will be a spectrum on the parts failure question - ranging from expected, to reasonably likely, to merely possible or theoretical failure or replacement concerns.

Not trying to advocate for any one system here, just mentioning these questions, which I have had on my mind due to wondering about the longevity of the Mobilistics remote and relay.

Yeah mobilistic can always fail. Any aftermarket part can. Of course best to keep spare battery in the car and they also say to keep stock relay hidden in car just in case. The batteries are lithium and last a couple of years they say.

[IMCWORTH]

Originally Posted by IMCWORTH

This is a good Idea if your ok with drilling holes in your hoods

This was common back in the old days

https://youtu.be/T4OVvZjmrPg?si=e92NNqUK5WhJeEAK

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/qul-ql-38l-lpbp

[MakCamaro]

Originally Posted by DamonZ28

Keep your remote start by adding a TX-21 NoStart Hardwired Transmitter. I will be going with the Immobilizer, and seriously considering adding this to it.

https://www.mobilistics.com/tx-21-no...d-transmitter/

Can you provide some further information about how the TX-21 NoStart Hardwired Transmitter is fitted and how it is used? There is not a lot of info on their website.

[The Maverick]

Originally Posted by MakCamaro

Can you provide some further information about how the TX-21 NoStart Hardwired Transmitter is fitted and how it is used? There is not a lot of info on their website.

I don't have this option, but my understanding of the website is that you can wire this into some types of factory switches in the car (high beam switch, door lock switch, etc.) and use that factory switch to deactivate the security and start the car instead of using the remote. So it provides a hardwired backup option that may be easier to activate than the remote and as a failsafe option if the remote dies. Not sure what switches people have tested this with I the sixth gen, but the door lock switch seems to be one that would be handy, if that works. The downside is that it sounds like it potentially provides a means for a thief to inadvertently deactivate the immobilizer.

The website also mentions that this option is for use with remote start, but it isn't clear to me how or if this would allow the remote start feature on a sixth gen to operate with the immobilizer relay installed... anyone have more info about that?

[IMCWORTH]

Originally Posted by The Maverick

I don't have this option, but my understanding of the website is that you can wire this into some types of factory switches in the car (high beam switch, door lock switch, etc.) and use that factory switch to deactivate the security and start the car instead of using the remote. So it provides a hardwired backup option that may be easier to activate than the remote and as a failsafe option if the remote dies. Not sure what switches people have tested this with I the sixth gen, but the door lock switch seems to be one that would be handy, if that works. The downside is that it sounds like it potentially provides a means for a thief to inadvertently deactivate the immobilizer.

The website also mentions that this option is for use with remote start, but it isn't clear to me how or if this would allow the remote start feature on a sixth gen to operate with the immobilizer relay installed... anyone have more info about that?

Just Call and talk to the owner JIMMY

[Black_ZL1]

Originally Posted by VR Baron

I haven’t checked all the posts, but check your door lock options in settings. Mine was set so you can lock/unlock with the door handle as well as fob from the dealer. I turned off the unlock with door handle option . Even with fob next to door you cannot open the door with the door button. I simulated a broken window by rolling it down ( not sure that replicates it or not) to try to unlock door with the buttons inside the car on the door. Can’t do it. Trunk obviously locked to. If a relay attack is done I have no idea if they can re enable the manual option. And with fob next to door it still won’t open so relay attack would appear not to work. Just keep fob in a faraday pouch. Some thoughts for you all .

Anyone have any additional feedback or testing on this? Regarding the repeater/transmitter attack if this actually mitigates that vulnerability or not? If it does, it’s certainly worth the loss of convenience. Obviously this doesn’t address the OBDII port vulnerability, but that can have other mitigations.

[CalgaryZL1]

Originally Posted by Black_ZL1

Anyone have any additional feedback or testing on this? Regarding the repeater/transmitter attack if this actually mitigates that vulnerability or not? If it does, it’s certainly worth the loss of convenience. Obviously this doesn’t address the OBDII port vulnerability, but that can have other mitigations.

This is the option I’m looking at for disabling the OBDII. It can either do push start button or the OBD. And for those who want extra security, you can purchase two units and have them run off one proximity remote.

https://lockdownsecuritycanada.ca/co...on-immobilizer

[dfxrte]

Originally Posted by CalgaryZL1

This is the option I’m looking at for disabling the OBDII. It can either do push start button or the OBD. And for those who want extra security, you can purchase two units and have them run off one proximity remote.

https://lockdownsecuritycanada.ca/co...on-immobilizer

bring your car down to Toronto we can go to the shop together

I am between this still and IGLA

[dfxrte]

Originally Posted by The Maverick

The one thing that doesn't seem to have garnered much discussion is the impact of parts failure down the road. This would distinguish between those security options that are likely to be good for the life of the vehicle versus security options that have a reasonably forseeable life expectancy.

I see this as a two part question: 1) What components of the security device could fail and require replacement at some point in the future? (i.e. Mobilistics remote or relay fails - new purchase of the custom components is probably the only way to restore that security functionality.) 2) What factory components could fail and, upon replacement, impact the functioning of the security system?

It seems like Ravelco has the advantage on question 1, since both IGLA and Mobilistics have components that reasonably could fail at some point (although I am not going to speculate on expected life spans). On the other hand, the Ravelco doesn't seem to have any components that could fail or wear out, which seems to negate the IGLA advantage that it "fails open" -- which presents the downside that it leaves your vehicle without that security feature if it goes belly up at the wrong time.

Mobilistics is not impacted at all by the second question. It is not clear to me whether the the IGLA and Ravelco installations could be implicated in reasonably expected factory parts failures - apart from wiring harness issues (something that can be self-induced, via headers and wider wheels, for example).

The other piece of the equation is that there will be a spectrum on the parts failure question - ranging from expected, to reasonably likely, to merely possible or theoretical failure or replacement concerns.

Not trying to advocate for any one system here, just mentioning these questions, which I have had on my mind due to wondering about the longevity of the Mobilistics remote and relay.

Ravelco can and has failed (pins wear out). Surely it is rare, but I've seen youtube videos after 3ish years the pins gave out.

If IGLA fails, it fails open making it useless as it can't send messages to the car to block anything

[SS_Don]

I will probably go with the Mobilistics after the car comes out of hibernation. I will also add the TX-21 hardwired transmitter so remote start works. Just have to figure out what to wire it to. Something that comes on when remote start is requested.

[DamonZ28]

I installed the Mobilistics relay yesterday, and it works. Going to be taking a trip this spring, staying in hotels for a few nights in unfamiliar areas. Not going to take any chances. I'm also going to unclip the OBD port and tuck it away up in the dash, install a dummy port, and put a lock over it. Then top it off with a steering wheel club. Just making it more difficult for a thief looking for a quick target.

[Buddy Shagmore]

Camaro thefts are all over the news around these parts.
I just ordered a Ravelco anti-theft device. They will come to my
crib to install it.