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I would have to agree. The price as tested in the LL was $51,770. That's a pretty hefty price for "not a track car" with track tires that overheats the diff when pushed hard. At that price, I would be looking hard for a GT350 at MSRP or lower. But, then I would have to worry about oil consumption or engine failure.
These latest Mustangs keep falling into the "close but no cigar" category. Sure hope they hit it out of the park with the GT500. They need it... |
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Also it makes sense for Ford to leave coolers off the PP2... yes it sucks for 1% who want to track it ,but it keeps it from costing them GT350 sales and it allows them to claim the car can run similar laps times to the 1LE. Possibly, but you can always replace the SC2’s with a less aggressive tire and still have a far better handling street car than a base or PP1. |
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I would love to see a base Mustang that speaks to those who want an affordable V8 RWD coupe (which it does), then a PP1 that really sorts out the floppy handling. Make it flat in the turns, and use Magneride to make the ride enjoyable without taking away the handling aspect. IF they did this, there would be no need for a PP2. In otherwords, just get rid of the PP1, and use the springs and sways from the PP2 (or better yet, GT350), and tune the Magneride for comfort in tour mode and go stiffer from there. And if they don't want to add the coolers, just forget the track tires. Who cares if it turns a better or worse lap time than an SS 1LE? Lap times aren't everything. So someone who wants a daily driver and a weekend canyon carver, can get the auto or convertible and not give up the nicely planted handling aspects. Again, the potential is there and Chevy did it, so why not? Yes, you can't get an auto or convertible on the 1LE, but you don't need the 1LE to handle well in a Camaro. The regular versions of the Camaro offer outstanding handling charachteristics, and you can track them as well. The 1LE is just a track package for those who track frequently, but the non-1LE's handle like the old BMW M series used to. Instant turn-in, laser sharp steering precision, flat and planted in the turns and transitions, good feedback through the steering wheel, etc... |
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The GT PP2 is already going to cost them sales over the Shelby because why spend Shelby money when you can get the much cheaper GT PP2 and throw a cooler on it? But then again I don't think Mustang guys are practical at all anyway. If the SS simply needed a cooler to consistently keep up with the ZL1 then I would have bought the SS fully optioned and saved money. What sense does it make to buy a Shelby at this point? Just to have a Mustang that is slower than a GT and the Bullitt in a straight line and just a hair faster than the PP2 while costing significantly more than all of them? No thanks. |
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Awesome in a NOT awesome kinda way...
That is the problem I see with this entire S550 Gen. All the V8s are hovering in the same performance arena as the SS family while all costing from SS money to (higher than) ZL1 money. With the Camaro you can get everything in one car whether it has the manual trans or the A8. And then you can step it up to the ZL1 if you want. With the GT you have to figure out what you want more and then pick one accordingly and have a car that is specific to one performance area while sucking ass at everything else. And even the ones that are good at tracking will still overheat unless you spend ZL1 money for a GT350 non-R and just to stay in the same performance area. |
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"In addition to the aforementioned, the PPL2’s $6500 upcharge over a base GT buys a front splitter, a unique spoiler, a larger radiator, a trio of chassis-stiffening braces, and retuned suspension, steering, and anti-lock-braking logic to play nice with the Cup 2 tires. But with no differential cooler, the rear axle overheated every time we took the Mustang out, often in as few as three hot laps, and even with easy laps staggered between them. So there is one thing it needs besides a proper name." You done? |
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The Shelby is past it's prime at this point, but its selling so Ford will keep it in the lineup until the GT500 releases. |
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Fixed it for you.
The PP2 shows that Ford could have made a great track car without the FPC. For owners, the FPC represents a long term reliability issue and the potential for problems was evident when the “over rev” feature was found in a early release of the owners manual
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You are correct that Ford could have made a great track car without the FPC it just wouldn't be as much fun to drive. |
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Look this thread is completely pointless because of one reason not the same person drove every car and not one of them was a professional driver or is good enough to put down lapse Within a single 10th repetitively, how bad were the corners cut, not to mention there SS 1LE time didn't match up with Car and Driver and Randy popes when compared to other cars some things a mess or Ford's paying somebody I mean honestly it says 305 tires on it R compound rubber, and it's only a second faster on a nearly 3-minute track
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