[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I appreciate all of the feedback. I don't want anyone to feel as if their comments were ignored, but I went ahead and ordered the DSSV kit and ZL1 1LE rear anti-sway bar (DSSV kit includes front anti-sway bar).

Unfortunately, I'm not a suspension expert so I figured that mixing and matching my own cocktail of suspension components probably wouldn't work well. And, I couldn't ignore the fact that GM offers a track-focused suspension kit that we know works.

Sure I could have just bought a ZL1 1LE, but I like the idea of having something a little more unique. Also, if it turns out I don't like the DSSVs, I can just put the MRC dampers back on.

Anyway, if nothing else, this should be a fun experiment. We'll finally have some real world numbers on MRC vs DSSV.

I have a two-day event at PittRace in a few weeks. Tomster, you should plan to attend if you want to hold on to that #1 spot over the winter.
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512725

I am VERY much looking forward to your review when you get them on and get some miles on them.

My SS 1LE has an appt. next Wed. to get the ZL1 1LE solid rear cradle bushings installed, along with a track alignment.

I don't think I will do the DSSV though, if I feel the need to go that extreme, I probably would just upgrade to the ZL1 1LE in a year or two.

OR , if things go REALLY well for me, maybe the upcoming Porsche GT4 or lightly used GT3, but that is pretty optimistic.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I appreciate all of the feedback. I don't want anyone to feel as if their comments were ignored, but I went ahead and ordered the DSSV kit and ZL1 1LE rear anti-sway bar (DSSV kit includes front anti-sway bar).

Unfortunately, I'm not a suspension expert so I figured that mixing and matching my own cocktail of suspension components probably wouldn't work well. And, I couldn't ignore the fact that GM offers a track-focused suspension kit that we know works.

Sure I could have just bought a ZL1 1LE, but I like the idea of having something a little more unique. Also, if it turns out I don't like the DSSVs, I can just put the MRC dampers back on.

Anyway, if nothing else, this should be a fun experiment. We'll finally have some real world numbers on MRC vs DSSV.

I have a two-day event at PittRace in a few weeks. Tomster, you should plan to attend if you want to hold on to that #1 spot over the winter.
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512725

That's awesome! Congrats on the purchase!

Just to clarify, you got both 84352121, 84352119, and also the ZL1 1LE rear swaybar? Any idea why the ZL1 1LE rear swaybar doesn't come with the kit that's sold?

I've considered this kit for my base suspension 1SS.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

That's awesome! Congrats on the purchase!

Just to clarify, you got both 84352121, 84352119, and also the ZL1 1LE rear swaybar? Any idea why the ZL1 1LE rear swaybar doesn't come with the kit that's sold?

I've considered this kit for my base suspension 1SS.

I ordered...
84352121 - DSSV Kit
84218218 - ZL1 1LE Rear Anti-sway Bar
68510457 - KW Mag Ride Delete Kit (I know there are cheaper alternatives.)

I have the solid bushing kit already (84341929), but I haven't installed it yet. I hope to install these at the same time as the DSSVs.

I did not order the ZL1 1LE Spec Handling system (84352119). I suspect there's not a lot of difference there compared to the FE4 parts, but I could be wrong.

I have no idea why the front anti-sway bar is included, but the rear bar isn't. I had a brief panic moment when I stopped to think about this... I thought oh crap, maybe the bar included in the kit is for the weight of the SS (and therefore different from the ZL1 1LE front bar). It does say "ZL1 1LE spec front sway bar" in the description, so I assume it's exactly the same as what comes stock on the ZL1 1LE.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I ordered...
84352121 - DSSV Kit
84218218 - ZL1 1LE Rear Anti-sway Bar
68510457 - KW Mag Ride Delete Kit (I know there are cheaper alternatives.)

I have the solid bushing kit already (84341929), but I haven't installed it yet. I hope to install these at the same time as the DSSVs.

I did not order the ZL1 1LE Spec Handling system (84352119). I suspect there's not a lot of difference there compared to the FE4 parts, but I could be wrong.

I have no idea why the front anti-sway bar is included, but the rear bar isn't. I had a brief panic moment when I stopped to think about this... I thought oh crap, maybe the bar included in the kit is for the weight of the SS (and therefore different from the ZL1 1LE front bar). It does say "ZL1 1LE spec front sway bar" in the description, so I assume it's exactly the same as what comes stock on the ZL1 1LE.

I am a little worried about my rear cradle install. I am having it done at a performance shop, but the dealer I called for an install quote, gave me 7.9 hours.

The only forum member who has done it himself "NickyRacerBoy" said in a PM that it took him 8 hours. The process is straight forward, but getting the rubber bushings out and the solid ones in I hear are a bitch. I am hoping my guy can do it faster than that.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I am a little worried about my rear cradle install. I am having it done at a performance shop, but the dealer I called for an install quote, gave me 7.9 hours.

The only forum member who has done it himself "NickyRacerBoy" said in a PM that it took him 8 hours. The process is straight forward, but getting the rubber bushings out and the solid ones in I hear are a bitch. I am hoping my guy can do it faster than that.

Yeah, I know it'll be a pain. I've had them for a long while, but haven't installed them yet. I'm just planning to spread the installation out over a few evenings.

[Deakins]

I was initially going the DSSV route but I dont think they are easily rebuildable. That's an often overlooked aspect of this hobby and $5,000 for something that very few outfits can work on was a deal breaker for me. I am really interested in your thoughts after the swap and if you feel they are that much better than the MRC.

[travislambert]

Thanks to some insight from Ryephile, I added 84051643 & 84051644 to the order. These front control arms appear to be unique to the FEA suspension. I figured at this point what's another $120.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Thanks to some insight from Ryephile, I added 84051643 & 84051644 to the order. These front control arms appear to be unique to the FEA suspension. I figured at this point what's another $120.

Glad to help! Your car will be a track scalpel.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by Deakins

I was initially going the DSSV route but I dont think they are easily rebuildable. That's an often overlooked aspect of this hobby and $5,000 for something that very few outfits can work on was a deal breaker for me. I am really interested in your thoughts after the swap and if you feel they are that much better than the MRC.

I'll be sure to report back with my thoughts. My hope is I'll be able to show that the DSSVs are an improvement on the track using actual lap times. Sure there are lots of variables, but I think having MRC/DSSV lap times with the same track, car, driver, etc. will be pretty cool.

I'd be satisfied just getting better tire life, but distributing the wear evenly across the tire should improve lap times.

[shaftwhy]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I'll be sure to report back with my thoughts. My hope is I'll be able to show that the DSSVs are an improvement on the track using actual lap times. Sure there are lots of variables, but I think having MRC/DSSV lap times with the same track, car, driver, etc. will be pretty cool.

I'd be satisfied just getting better tire life, but distributing the wear evenly across the tire should improve lap times.

I am also eager to find out

Next step, 1LE aero?

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

I am also eager to find out

Next step, 1LE aero?

I have no plans for the 1LE aero. At PittRace, where I run almost exclusively, there's only 1 high-speed turn where I think the benefits of the aero would be significant. However, there are 4 long straights where the added downforce would be a detriment. In other words, I don't see the aero as being a net benefit (at this track).

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I'll be sure to report back with my thoughts. My hope is I'll be able to show that the DSSVs are an improvement on the track using actual lap times. Sure there are lots of variables, but I think having MRC/DSSV lap times with the same track, car, driver, etc. will be pretty cool.

I'd be satisfied just getting better tire life, but distributing the wear evenly across the tire should improve lap times.

Also the ride quality of the MRC to the DSSV would be awesome to compare on the same car as well.

We all know they are much stiffer, but to the point that you would hate to daily drive it on the street stiff would be good to know.

[travislambert]

Removed the rear cradle today to install solid cradle bushings. DSSVs have shipped and will arrive on Tuesday.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Removed the rear cradle today to install solid cradle bushings. DSSVs have shipped and will arrive on Tuesday.

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Nice. I had my solid rear cradle bushings installed on Wed.

It makes a HUGE difference. The rear-end just responds now, no movement and you can tell what the rear tires are doing now. 100MPH sweepers are a one handed affair now with zero drama.

I have noticed ZERO added ride quality changes and ZERO added NVH.

It took my performance shop 10 hours, they didn't have to take out the cradle, only lower it and they fabricated a tool to get the bushings out.

I still need an alignment though, I have an appt. on Tues. to get the track alignment. However, even without an alignment, it is a night and day difference.


The aftermath...