[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Unfortunately, no one has actually bothered to run an auto Camaro SS in a legit test since 2016. Even then, it was a bunch of hot lap times. I think they finally did a half-assed test with the new 10 spd...but it wasn't anything to write home about even then..

The funny thing is, all of the tests we see from the mags involve premium air , perfect track conditions, etc... none of the Camaro tests are ever done that way...

I would just like to see them take two cars, identical setups, and go for max effort for once... instead of these lame ass ooooh I can run a mile runs..

The Camaro SS didn't really change from 2016-2018, so why run a bunch of new acceleration tests each year? And every car mag runs all their acceleration tests the same way for each car they test. I think most even run them on asphalt instead of prepped drag strips. They don't single out the Camaro and say "let's not give this car a fair shake." There is no conspiracy against the SS.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The Camaro SS didn't really change from 2016-2018, so why run a bunch of new acceleration tests each year? And every car mag runs all their acceleration tests the same way for each car they test. I think most even run them on asphalt instead of prepped drag strips. They don't single out the Camaro and say "let's not give this car a fair shake." There is no conspiracy against the SS.

The perceived issue is with Cars.com which rented a drag strip in cool weather to test the Challenger and Mustang but never tested a Camaro. Cars.com also does no corrections so they tend to run very fast times. Also in 2016 the SS was so far ahead of the GT it wasn't close and no publication really tried hard to get a good time because they didnt need to.

But in reality, the GT A10 PP1 dragmode is a drivers race to both the M6 and A10 SS. It has tested .1 faster than both in Car and Driver and that's fine.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The perceived issue is with Cars.com which rented a drag strip in cool weather to test the Challenger and Mustang but never tested a Camaro. Cars.com also does no corrections so they tend to run very fast times. Also in 2016 the SS was so far ahead of the GT it wasn't close and no publication really tried hard to get a good time because they didnt need to.

But in reality, the GT A10 PP1 dragmode is a drivers race to both the M6 and A10 SS. It has tested .1 faster than both in Car and Driver and that's fine.

I don't think cars.com rented the dragstrip for the Hellcat or Mustang test, they definitely did go to the strip that's my local track GLD. Even if they did, GLD only does serious prep when they have an event going on.

Carry on

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The perceived issue is with Cars.com which rented a drag strip in cool weather to test the Challenger and Mustang but never tested a Camaro. Cars.com also does no corrections so they tend to run very fast times. Also in 2016 the SS was so far ahead of the GT it wasn't close and no publication really tried hard to get a good time because they didnt need to.

But in reality, the GT A10 PP1 dragmode is a drivers race to both the M6 and A10 SS. It has tested .1 faster than both in Car and Driver and that's fine.

Pretty much this...

Id just like to see them take the current cars, give them both the absolute best optimum shakedown opportunities, same track, same day...same driver....and let her rip..

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Pretty much this...

Id just like to see them take the current cars, give them both the absolute best optimum shakedown opportunities, same track, same day...same driver....and let her rip..

I expect MT to have a H2H with the ZLE and the GT500. We will get to see them stack up same day same track with Randy driving both cars.

[Ethanolic]

Iirc the base GT500 will come on PS4S tires and those are Y rated at 186mph, so the car couldn’t be allowed to go faster without serious liability.

I’m skeptical that there is a design flaw that would cause the car to be unstable at higher speeds, but I could see there being an issue with the track pack wing at 200 mph, like causing damage to the deck lid if they didn’t reinforce it for those forces.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Iirc the base GT500 will come on PS4S tires and those are Y rated at 186mph, so the car couldn’t be allowed to go faster without serious liability.

I’m skeptical that there is a design flaw that would cause the car to be unstable at higher speeds, but I could see there being an issue with the track pack wing at 200 mph, like causing damage to the deck lid if they didn’t reinforce it for those forces.

The speed rating is 186+mph.
Also, Cup2 has the same speed rating, and look what cars have them.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Iirc the base GT500 will come on PS4S tires and those are Y rated at 186mph, so the car couldn’t be allowed to go faster without serious liability.

I’m skeptical that there is a design flaw that would cause the car to be unstable at higher speeds, but I could see there being an issue with the track pack wing at 200 mph, like causing damage to the deck lid if they didn’t reinforce it for those forces.

Hey look, first post.

(Y) which means the tires have been tested at over 186mph. Z06 comes with (Y) rated tires and top speed is 200mph. Similar case with ZL1..

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The Camaro SS didn't really change from 2016-2018, so why run a bunch of new acceleration tests each year? And every car mag runs all their acceleration tests the same way for each car they test. I think most even run them on asphalt instead of prepped drag strips. They don't single out the Camaro and say "let's not give this car a fair shake." There is no conspiracy against the SS.

I'm not sure how many different reviews have shown the A10 GT to be faster than both the A8 and now A10 SS. End of story for this forum to keep arguing this is now borderline ridiculous. It really doesn't matter though as the new 1320 will be faster than both of them.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

The speed rating is 186+mph.
Also, Cup2 has the same speed rating, and look what cars have them.

Ahh, didn’t know that was how the rating worked. Ford really should just say the specific reason if there is one because sooner rather than later someone is going to tune out the governor and find out anyway.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm not sure how many different reviews have shown the A10 GT to be faster than both the A8 and now A10 SS. End of story for this forum to keep arguing this is now borderline ridiculous. It really doesn't matter though as the new 1320 will be faster than both of them.

Nobody is arguing it. We just said it is funny that the GT was tested under different conditions and circumstances and in a different manner than the SS. And if anything you guys are the ones who brought up the one mile race in the dried up river bed which nobody here cares about. Besides after everything that Ford had to do to the GT to make it competitive, it should be faster. The entire car basically got rebuilt. The 18 might as well be the 7th Gen considering all the vast changes they had to make to it.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Nobody is arguing it. We just said it is funny that the GT was tested under different conditions and circumstances and in a different manner than the SS. And if anything you guys are the ones who brought up the one mile race in the dried up river bed which nobody here cares about. Besides after everything that Ford had to do to the GT to make it competitive, it should be faster. The entire car basically got rebuilt. The 18 might as well be the 7th Gen considering all the vast changes they had to make to it.

Sure thing Ford failed with the 2015-2017 GT. Well the 2018 GT has been on the street since June/2017, and Chevy has had no answer for the A10 since then. Chevy did take an unusual step with adding the A10 to the refresh (maybe due to the A8 issues, or in an attempt to catch up with the GT), but that hasn't closed the gap. The clock has been ticking for nearly 2-years, when is the 7th Gen due to arrive because 3rd place is steering the 6th Gen right in the eye.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Sure thing Ford failed with the 2015-2017 GT. Well the 2018 GT has been on the street since June/2017, and Chevy has had no answer for the A10 since then. Chevy did take an unusual step with adding the A10 to the refresh (maybe due to the A8 issues, or in an attempt to catch up with the GT), but that hasn't closed the gap. The clock has been ticking for nearly 2-years, when is the 7th Gen due to arrive because 3rd place is steering the 6th Gen right in the eye.

Chevy doesn’t need to answer a .1-.2 second difference in 1/4 mile times. Performance wise the cares are extremely well matched. GM should focus on making the car more appealing to a broader range of buyers while maintaining performance parity.

[rocket403]

What like making a car with a backseat you can put someone in or have a trunk that can be used, how about getting rid of the bunker feel.