Been wanting to upgrade from my 5th gen. I'm so torn!!

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

Sorry but I don't know how much stock I put in those lap times. Unless that's a C4 ZR1 there is no way on Earth a 1LE is faster than a C6 ZR1 in any way shape or form.

The first C6 ZR1 beat the Z28 at the Nurb by 11 seconds (The 13' beat it by 15) yet lost to the Z28 on your list at Laguna Seca.

Either the drivers are the huge difference or maybe they forgot to put ZL1 before the 1LE instead of SS

Thats not my list its Laguna Seca fast http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Thats not my list its Laguna Seca fast http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

I understand you didn't make the list. I'm questioning the validity of the list though. There is either a huge lack of cosistency in the talent level of drivers from one car to another or there are simply errors on the list. There is simply no way a 455HP 1LE is going to be able to beat the 640HP C6 ZR1 at anything except MAYBE an autocross course.

Update.... Just looking at the list in your link some more. The C6 ZR1 is actually listed twice. It's also 18th on the list. These times obviously have a big variance.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I understand you didn't make the list. I'm questioning the validity of the list though. There is either a huge lack of cosistency in the talent level of drivers from one car to another or there are simply errors on the list. There is simply no way a 455HP 1LE is going to be able to beat the 640HP C6 ZR1 at anything except MAYBE an autocross course.

Update.... Just looking at the list in your link some more. The C6 ZR1 is actually listed twice. It's also 18th on the list. These times obviously have a big variance.

I am not sure but i would have to say you are not that familiar with the 1LE ,it truly is a amazing drivers car . There are a lot of lap times and test out there that shows what it can do . I added a clip from motor trend article below against the Mustang PP1 . I am not trying to sell you a car and i don't really care if you buy one but you can get a little insight in why i chose it over the Corvette GS , Z51 ,ZL1 and Z28 last year .
As is the 1LE’s handling. Around our figure-eight track, the Mustang managed a 24.0-second lap. That’s a fantastic time, especially because the 2016 Mustang GT needed 24.4 seconds, and the BMW M4 takes 24.1 seconds. So that’s good company. But by comparison, the Nissan GT-R NISMO, Porsche 991 GT3, and Porsche 991.2 Turbo S all dance the figure eight in a significantly quicker 22.9 seconds. I mention this because so does the Camaro. I’m still having a hard time processing that number, but it is true. The workaday Chevy runs even with the world’s elite performance cars in a true handling test.

For the record, the quickest time we’ve ever seen around the figure eight is 22.2 seconds, put down by both the Porsche 918 Spyder and the Lamborghini Huracán Performante. Meaning the Camaro 1LE is within spitting distance. When I asked our handling guru Kim Reynolds what he thought about the two cars after lapping them, he looked first to the Camaro then disparagingly glanced at the Mustang and said, “There’s about 4,000 years of evolution separating the two.”

[SecondZ28]

Here is a more credible list, comparing cars on a track (VIR)

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ry-car-feature

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Here is a more credible list, comparing cars on a track (VIR)

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ry-car-feature

Interesting list. Seems to make a bit more sense. To be fair the 1LE is still putting down an impressive lap and up in the middle of cars costing much more. This list does have the Z28 far ahead but the ZL1 still lagging behind, along with the C6 GS coming in last of the 3 cars I'm looking at.

One thing I noticed on this list is the 07 Z06 vs the 11 Z06. Why is the 11 so much faster? The lap times are so far apart. Both cars are the 7.0L with 505HP. I've been trying to figure out why the 2010 and newer costs so much more and can't figure it out. There is literally a solid $5k-$10k jump from 09-10. Is there something I'm missing?

Also just noticed that list has a 3 second gap between the 06 and 07 Z06. That should be identical cars.

[maroonponyina1LE]

Good luck with your decision!

Haven't read many of the other posts, but:

-Test drive all the potential other cars so that you make the most informed decision.

-Consider expected reliability. Am amazed at the drop in predicted reliability from the Gen5 to the Gen6 Camaro SS from Consumer Reports. I am guessing it has to do with the direct injection V8 in the Gen6. I really, really hope this trend turns around.

-The handling of a 1LE is just amazing. Very unexpected for a car with the perceived weight (heavy) and weight distribution (front heavy) of a Camaro SS.


Once again, good luck!

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

Interesting list. Seems to make a bit more sense. To be fair the 1LE is still putting down an impressive lap and up in the middle of cars costing much more. This list does have the Z28 far ahead but the ZL1 still lagging behind, along with the C6 GS coming in last of the 3 cars I'm looking at.

One thing I noticed on this list is the 07 Z06 vs the 11 Z06. Why is the 11 so much faster? The lap times are so far apart. Both cars are the 7.0L with 505HP. I've been trying to figure out why the 2010 and newer costs so much more and can't figure it out. There is literally a solid $5k-$10k jump from 09-10. Is there something I'm missing?

Also just noticed that list has a 3 second gap between the 06 and 07 Z06. That should be identical cars.

Z/28 was intended for the track, so it’s more comparable to a SS with 1LE.

The ZL1 was designed for double duty at the drag strip and track.

I’d guess the difference between the Z06’s has to do with tires.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Here is a more credible list, comparing cars on a track (VIR)

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ry-car-feature

What makes that more credible then any other fastlaps ? Even though the gen6 1Le embarrasses a lot of very high dollar cars there also . The most even playing field for any car handling is the Motor Trend figure eight . All tracks have posted fastlaps online , you may not like the results but that don’t change there credibility.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Z/28 was intended for the track, so it’s more comparable to a SS with 1LE.

The ZL1 was designed for double duty at the drag strip and track.

I’d guess the difference between the Z06’s has to do with tires.

The 5th gen Z28 was built for all out track use , at $75k with a LS7 ,CC brakes ,DSSV and didn’t come with a radio or AC , it is no way comparable to a SS or 1LE , even though the gen 6 1LE beat it around Laguna Seca.

[rontammy0]

Op get which car you like the most. Most people will run out of nerve before car. I guess the 6th gen 1le is a fine handling car...i guess if you want pick that one. The 5th gen Zl1 is a great car as well. Imo the 6th gen is like having an ugly girlfriend that can run....but at some point you have to look at her.....and nah. The Zl1 has good looks...handles well with alot of power. And your only a few bolt ons away from alot more. Talk to the 5th gen members that own them. They know their stuff. But do test drive all the cars that interest you.

[Royal Tiger]

I actually like the new Vette (2014-) better than the last one. Both are amazing cars. As for the Camaro, the 5th gen Z/28 is truly beautiful. If I could have any newer Camaro, it’s the one I’d pick. Otherwise I still favor the 5th gen Camaro over the 6th gen Camry-o.

[zr1chris]

Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

I actually like the new Vette (2014-) better than the last one. Both are amazing cars. As for the Camaro, the 5th gen Z/28 is truly beautiful. If I could have any newer Camaro, it’s the one I’d pick. Otherwise I still favor the 5th gen Camaro over the 6th gen Camry-o.

I do like the C7 but, C6 GS vs C7 base i prefer the look of the C6 GS. If it were GS vs GS then I'd take the C7 but a C7 GS is somewhere around $15k over my budget.

Interior wise it's C7 hands down which is one of the bigger reasons other than performance why I've thought about putting maybe a Z51 C7 in the possibility.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

Interesting list. Seems to make a bit more sense. To be fair the 1LE is still putting down an impressive lap and up in the middle of cars costing much more. This list does have the Z28 far ahead but the ZL1 still lagging behind, along with the C6 GS coming in last of the 3 cars I'm looking at.

One thing I noticed on this list is the 07 Z06 vs the 11 Z06. Why is the 11 so much faster? The lap times are so far apart. Both cars are the 7.0L with 505HP. I've been trying to figure out why the 2010 and newer costs so much more and can't figure it out. There is literally a solid $5k-$10k jump from 09-10. Is there something I'm missing?

Also just noticed that list has a 3 second gap between the 06 and 07 Z06. That should be identical cars.

On the Z06 Corvettes a lot of lap times can change with option packages , if they have MRC or not and as in the 2011 Z06 it may have the Z07 or CFZ option which would give you better lap times and drive up the price. When you look at the 2010 Camaro lap time is 3:09.4 and the 2017 V6 Camaro 1LE lap time is 3:04.0 , thats a V6 and its over 5 seconds faster then a SS V8 , GM has brought handling to a whole other level over the last few years.

[wakespeak]

I can't keep up with the Gen6 on the track. Lighter with more power and the Cadillac chassis is amazing. The Gen6 is simply a lot easier to drive fast. (Driven both). Keeping my Gen5 as I like the brute.