[NW-99SS]

The Roush packages tend to underperform...no thanks. Agree on the wheels, everything else just looks terrible IMO.

[GuywithL86]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Since what happens in Vegas is definitely not staying in Vegas, how 'bout this one.... your Mustang GT + $51k gets you......the 2020 Jack Rouch Edition 775 hp, 670 lb-ft, awesome wheels.
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...-photos-specs/

you'd pretty much have to have the IQ of forrest gump to buy that over a gt500

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Good post.

Is there a test of the A10 ZLE vs ZL1 1/4? Curious to see the difference...though the GoodYears likely hold the ZLE back.

I haven't seen any. The Chevy press release higlights the 11.4 in the regular ZL1 section, makes no mention of it in the ZLE section and the ZLE specific press release with the A10 no mention of 1/4 times

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Good post.

Is there a test of the A10 ZLE vs ZL1 1/4? Curious to see the difference...though the GoodYears likely hold the ZLE back.

Haven't see any. However, the GY SC3R's on the ZLE are a 100TW tire.


Get some heat into them and they stick like a Hoosier. And the ZLE has a 325mm wide rear vs the 305 on the ZL1.



The ZLE will have an advantage (if in tire only) over the standard SC3's on the ZL1.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Those are copies of C6 ZR1 Wheels.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

Haven't see any. However, the GY SC3R's on the ZLE are a 100TW tire.


Get some heat into them and they stick like a Hoosier. And the ZLE has a 325mm wide rear vs the 305 on the ZL1.



The ZLE will have an advantage (if in tire only) over the standard SC3's on the ZL1.

The trick would be getting the ZLE tires hot enough during the burnout. Your explanation makes sense, but remains to be proven on track.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

Haven't see any. However, the GY SC3R's on the ZLE are a 100TW tire.


Get some heat into them and they stick like a Hoosier. And the ZLE has a 325mm wide rear vs the 305 on the ZL1.



The ZLE will have an advantage (if in tire only) over the standard SC3's on the ZL1.

I agree with your tire assessment, but the stiff suspension will cut down on the weight transfer for a good launch so it may be a crap shoot which will 60' better. I'd put my money on the better tires, but the aero and wider tires will make the ZLE trap slightly less.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

The trick would be getting the ZLE tires hot enough during the burnout. Your explanation makes sense, but remains to be proven on track.

You can literally do a burnout until the tires pop. Please tell me how you couldn't get them hot enough???

I know I've seen a 1/4 mile time chart posted for all ZL1 versions, but not sure if it was official or where I saw it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

All good sir, all I was trying to say was it was out there months ago that the base car would be the ideal 1/4 car.

Again, just to be clear, I'm not saying the info wasn't there. I'm saying that most here thought the CF would outperform the Base. But it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I don't remember you being up in arms when there was no A10ZLE that the base A10 ZL1 was faster in the quarter mile than the $7500 1LE package. By your logic, if it's the most expensive it should be faster period regardless of it's all set up for something else.

Well for starters the ZLE package is not $20,000 more expensive. And actually GM lists the ZLE as being faster in the quarter mile M6 to M6. And since they threw the A10 trans in they also list the A10 ZLE as being faster than the A10 ZL1 in the quarter mile by 1 tenth. Just like the C8 Z51 outperforms the Base C8.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I agree, the CFTP had better perform and better perform well for the price they are asking. To me it needs to handily beat the ZLE to be considered a win for what it costs, it's an option package that costs as much as an econobox car....that's freaking insane to me. It better perform

I do not think either version has a chance against the ZLE. If they do then it will be by an insignificant margin. As far as quarter mile goes I am sure the CF GT500 will be faster. But when they are side by side I do not see it being more than about 2 tenths faster. I do not think the CF package will perform worth it's cost. Nor will the Base for that matter.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Also FWIW when searching for posts I came across a ton of posts by me saying no way the GT500 gets near 100K msrp.....guess someone should cook me up some crow!

The reason I won't is because we all were taking shots in the dark. There was no way to make anything other than a guess as to what the cost would be.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

At the time the m6 1le was claimed to be quicker than the m6 zl1... but your point still stands, not the quickest in the line up vs the a10.

GM listed the A10 ZLE as being 11.3...1 tenth quicker than the A10 ZL1.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

I agree with your tire assessment, but the stiff suspension will cut down on the weight transfer for a good launch so it may be a crap shoot which will 60' better. I'd put my money on the better tires, but the aero and wider tires will make the ZLE trap slightly less.


You can literally do a burnout until the tires pop. Please tell me how you couldn't get them hot enough???

I know I've seen a 1/4 mile time chart posted for all ZL1 versions, but not sure if it was official or where I saw it.

No argument there, but it has to be done in order to evaluate. Comparing 60's would be the best way to determine which setup launches better.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Since what happens in Vegas is definitely not staying in Vegas, how 'bout this one.... your Mustang GT + $51k gets you......the 2020 Jack Rouch Edition 775 hp, 670 lb-ft, awesome wheels.
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...-photos-specs/

As others have stated the Roush Mustangs have always underperformed. I believe this one in particular is called the "Jackhammer". It is a good car for someone who wants a supercharged high HP Mustang with a warranty that you can get without a markup. But it is not going to compete with a ZL1 or a GT500. Probably not even against a GT350R. Basically this is just a bolt-on modded Mustang GT.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Again, just to be clear, I'm not saying the info wasn't there. I'm saying that most here thought the CF would outperform the Base. But it doesn't matter.

Well for starters the ZLE package is not $20,000 more expensive. And actually GM lists the ZLE as being faster in the quarter mile M6 to M6. And since they threw the A10 trans in they also list the A10 ZLE as being faster than the A10 ZL1 in the quarter mile by 1 tenth. Just like the C8 Z51 outperforms the Base C8.

I do not think either version has a chance against the ZLE. If they do then it will be by an insignificant margin. As far as quarter mile goes I am sure the CF GT500 will be faster. But when they are side by side I do not see it being more than about 2 tenths faster. I do not think the CF package will perform worth it's cost. Nor will the Base for that matter.

The reason I won't is because we all were taking shots in the dark. There was no way to make anything other than a guess as to what the cost would be.

GM listed the A10 ZLE as being 11.3...1 tenth quicker than the A10 ZL1.

Where does GM show the 1/4 for the ZLE? I am not trying to start a pissing match just

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...-zl1/2019.html

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...amaro-zl1.html

Neither of those press releases mention the ZL1 1LE 1/4 times

The only times I can find are from MT where yes they have the M6 ZLE a tenth ahead of the M6 ZL1

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Where does GM show the 1/4 for the ZLE? I am not trying to start a pissing match just

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...-zl1/2019.html

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...amaro-zl1.html

Neither of those press releases mention the ZL1 1LE 1/4 times

The only times I can find are from MT where yes they have the M6 ZLE a tenth ahead of the M6 ZL1

I'm curious as well as I've only see manual m6 data to compare

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'm curious as well as I've only see manual m6 data to compare

It wouldn't shock me to see the A10 ZLE being as fast or faster based on the M6 results in the MT tests - I just haven't seen it anywhere is all

[BlaqWhole]

It turns out that it wasn't GM, it was TopSpeed. And they were guesstimating 11.3.

Apparently not one of the magazines bothered to test the ZLE.

In any case we will soon see what both cars (GT500 and ZL1) in both trims are capable of.