So, help me with a ticket....

Knockoutpie · 10-11-2013, 07:05 PM

Well here's the story, I was a good 1/4 mile ahead of the officer, I knew this guy was following me and I wanted to make sure so I turned off the main street and pulled into a neighborhood. I drove down the neighborhood I was about half way down it and I was him turn in and he put his lights on. So I was 1/2 of the neighborhood in front of the guy I'd say it's 1500ft long neighborhood. Pulled me over said I was criminally speeding but he won't cite me for that only civilian speeding... He never clocked me, never radared me. Only assumed I was going 40mph + Which I wasn't. It's very difficult to get 40mph in a neighborhood. I was going 29. Speed limit in there was 25 so I was going 4 over. On the ticket he says The speed limit was 25mph, he says my speed was 40+. <-- Indicating he guessed a speed and put the number down and thought if it was over 40 i'll just put a plus sign behind it. So he really had no clue what my speed was.... What you guys think I should do? Pay it, Traffic School, or Fight it...? Help me out.

Deke736 · 10-11-2013, 07:13 PM

Call one of those traffic lawyers and have them plead it down. It'll cost you a few extra bucks but it won't be on your record. From your story of pulling off on a side street I would guess you were speeding prior to that and that's what he was citing you for. Otherwise, why pull in to a neighborhood that's not yours? Pleading down the ticket and paying your fine is your best bet.

wayne watson · 10-11-2013, 07:15 PM

I thought they had to show your speed or at least a reader calibration cert.that's what I've heard
Almost have to go to court and tell your side and see or insurance may jump if you can't get it reduced at least.
Good luck

jvoisel · 10-11-2013, 07:15 PM

Sure you weren't speeding? Sounds like you already knew you were in the wrong.

Good luck with it either way.

Knockoutpie · 10-11-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deke736

Call one of those traffic lawyers and have them plead it down. It'll cost you a few extra bucks but it won't be on your record. From your story of pulling off on a side street I would guess you were speeding prior to that and that's what he was citing you for. Otherwise, why pull in to a neighborhood that's not yours? Pleading down the ticket and paying your fine is your best bet.

Originally I was obeying the speed limit, until I wanted to pass a driver so I sped up just a tad to get in front of them, then he started to follow me.

batman53201 · 10-11-2013, 07:18 PM

police have to be able to judge speed. I learned that when i went to radar school. i could guess within 2 mph

anyway, fight the ticket to get it reduced.

sangerbanger58 · 10-11-2013, 07:19 PM

Man thats nothing lol I had a cop pull my over and guess on everything on the ticket. Speed limit, my speed, he even said he guessed. Yeah I would fight it in court.

Knockoutpie · 10-11-2013, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Knockoutpie

Originally I was obeying the speed limit, until I wanted to pass a driver so I sped up just a tad to get in front of them, then he started to follow me.

Plus I was the officer skip around 2 cars so I had a good assumption he was following me

Caspers2SSRS · 10-11-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Knockoutpie

Originally I was obeying the speed limit, until I wanted to pass a driver so I sped up just a tad to get in front of them, then he started to follow me.

Sorta like the being kinda pregnant argument..............its all or nothing. You know your guilty or was as soon as you passed the other car......pay the fine or volunteer for traffic school, then make wiser choices. Good Luck..

jd10013 · 10-11-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Knockoutpie

Originally I was obeying the speed limit, until I wanted to pass a driver so I sped up just a tad to get in front of them, then he started to follow me.

lol, that would be speeding. if you don't want the hassle or expense of court and lawyers, and it won't drive your insurance up then just pay it. if your young and it will hurt your insurance, then then go to court and ask for driving school and or community service in exchange for voiding the ticket. cause when the judge sees young + fast sports car vs. respected, experienced cop your chances of winning are going to be pretty slim. it's not necessarily fair, but that's how it works.

Knockoutpie · 10-11-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jd10013

lol, that would be speeding. if you don't want the hassle or expense of court and lawyers, and it won't drive your insurance up then just pay it. if your young and it will hurt your insurance, then then go to court and ask for driving school and or community service in exchange for voiding the ticket. cause when the judge sees young + fast sports car vs. respected, experienced cop your chances of winning are going to be pretty slim. it's not necessarily fair, but that's how it works.

Well, if you think about it. The HOV lane, and the Left lane are the "fast lanes" so even though by state it says slower vehicles move right, that means the left lane is the speeding lane right? And speedings illegal...

wocampb · 10-11-2013, 07:57 PM

Officers in Arizona are sight certified for speed so they do not need to show you radar. My suggestion, take traffic school online and it does not go on your record.

upflying · 10-11-2013, 08:00 PM

Cops can cite based on a visual estimation. Cop will have to lay foundation in court as to what his training and expertise is. (see expert witness)
But since you admitted to 4 over, pay the fine, go to traffic school and call it good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_witness

upflying · 10-11-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wayne watson

I thought they had to show your speed or at least a reader calibration cert.that's what I've heard

You heard wrong. Cop does not have to show you anything except where to sign.
In court, LEO has to produce calibration records if you "subpoena duces tacum" it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena_duces_tecum

10-11-2013, 07:05 PM	#1
Knockoutpie Drives: 2014 2SS RS Coupe Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,454	So, help me with a ticket.... Well here's the story, I was a good 1/4 mile ahead of the officer, I knew this guy was following me and I wanted to make sure so I turned off the main street and pulled into a neighborhood. I drove down the neighborhood I was about half way down it and I was him turn in and he put his lights on. So I was 1/2 of the neighborhood in front of the guy I'd say it's 1500ft long neighborhood. Pulled me over said I was criminally speeding but he won't cite me for that only civilian speeding... He never clocked me, never radared me. Only assumed I was going 40mph + Which I wasn't. It's very difficult to get 40mph in a neighborhood. I was going 29. Speed limit in there was 25 so I was going 4 over. On the ticket he says The speed limit was 25mph, he says my speed was 40+. <-- Indicating he guessed a speed and put the number down and thought if it was over 40 i'll just put a plus sign behind it. So he really had no clue what my speed was.... What you guys think I should do? Pay it, Traffic School, or Fight it...? Help me out.

10-11-2013, 07:13 PM	#2
Deke736 COTW 12/3/12 Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Glen Carbon, IL Posts: 3,279	Call one of those traffic lawyers and have them plead it down. It'll cost you a few extra bucks but it won't be on your record. From your story of pulling off on a side street I would guess you were speeding prior to that and that's what he was citing you for. Otherwise, why pull in to a neighborhood that's not yours? Pleading down the ticket and paying your fine is your best bet. __________________

10-11-2013, 07:19 PM	#7
sangerbanger58 Drives: 2010 IBM Camaro 1LT/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sanger,CA Posts: 1,834	Man thats nothing lol I had a cop pull my over and guess on everything on the ticket. Speed limit, my speed, he even said he guessed. Yeah I would fight it in court. __________________ *CVC Fresno*

10-11-2013, 08:00 PM	#13
upflying Drives: '86 Monte Carlo SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,119	Cops can cite based on a visual estimation. Cop will have to lay foundation in court as to what his training and expertise is. (see expert witness) But since you admitted to 4 over, pay the fine, go to traffic school and call it good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_witness Last edited by upflying; 10-11-2013 at 08:29 PM.

10-11-2013, 07:15 PM	#3
wayne watson Drives: 2014 camaro ss ,1967 chevelle ss, Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: loganville Posts: 1,209 View My Garage	I thought they had to show your speed or at least a reader calibration cert.that's what I've heard Almost have to go to court and tell your side and see or insurance may jump if you can't get it reduced at least. Good luck

10-11-2013, 07:15 PM	#4
jvoisel Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: New Orleans, La Posts: 436	Sure you weren't speeding? Sounds like you already knew you were in the wrong. Good luck with it either way.

10-11-2013, 07:18 PM	#6
batman53201 Account not blocked Drives: The Batmobile Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: wisconsin Posts: 2,158 View My Garage	police have to be able to judge speed. I learned that when i went to radar school. i could guess within 2 mph anyway, fight the ticket to get it reduced.

10-11-2013, 07:57 PM	#12
wocampb Drives: '14 2SS/RS 1LE BRM, '12 Cruze LT 6M Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 706 View My Garage	Officers in Arizona are sight certified for speed so they do not need to show you radar. My suggestion, take traffic school online and it does not go on your record.

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