11-11-2017, 10:46 AM | #43 |
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Creating a comprehensive tune for a new configuration is a time intensive task. A full tune takes many many hours and most of it is not done on a dyno unless you have a load dyno at your disposal. The hard part is part throttle and the majority of shops don’t spend too much time on it (or at all) for various reasons.
Our remote tune for full bolt ons has many many hours into it. Most of that was street time dialing in the hard stuff. There are shops that understand this. There are shops that don’t and deliver a mediocre calibration. I’m about to start a full calibration for a 17 ZL1 with headers, pulley, and E85 (with our upcoming ZL1 FF kit). Fortunately it is locally to me but I will spend at least a full day just dialing in VVE and VTQ before I ever get to WOT. I will also be using the Plex Knock Monitor to ensure the timing map is not going beyond safe limits for the combination. Tim |
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11-12-2017, 08:10 AM | #45 |
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Are you concerned about acidic damage to the non-E85 components?
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11-12-2017, 08:56 AM | #46 |
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This platform is hardened for E85. You will have no issue running it full time. If you are storing the car for the winter I would run the E85 down and put in E0-E10 just to avoid moisture absorption.
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11-17-2018, 08:43 PM | #48 |
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um don't think so. more alky is needed because it has less btu per weight. It burns at a different stoi, in actually because energy is loss changing liquid to vapor, the alky will yield slightly less power when burned with the equivalent amount of air in a piston engine, all other parameters held constant.
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So it looks like at max rich E85 will get 4.4% more energy, hey I learn something new. Interesting power comes from just more "gas" released at 18%... That said this goes all the way back to Smokey Yunich and has water burning gas engine.
I would be intrested in real racers actually seeing performace increase by going from max lean power E85 to max rich power E85. Chemistry is fun and all, but does it equate to real world performance. Let me know if I'm reading the article correctly. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...-vapor-engine/ https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-analysis.html https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...atio-questions Now if you want power then rich max Meth is like 4:1 stoi, you can basically dump gallons down the engine... hence I'm interested in a 8 port constant flow meth setup... The calculation is about 1/2 down the page on the middle link.
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04-23-2019, 03:15 PM | #51 |
I know this is an older post, but just wanted to get some clarification on the 6th gen camaros and running E85. I keep reading that ethanol can break down certain components, seals, etc. over time. So is this not the case with newer vehicles, since most gas now has atleast a small percentage of ethanol? I'm assuming they are referring to older vehicles when it comes to breakdown of components?
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E85 is the devil. Shit fuel low energy garbage. It will melt your gas tank
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I have an E85 station near me where gas is almost 1/2 the price of 91.
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Only if you have an ethanol sensor installed, and a tune to go along with it.
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The GenV fuel system (LT1/LT4) is FlexFuel safe. No worries with E85.
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