Why isn't Vararam very popular here?

[davidcroft]

Originally Posted by litle88

It is popular to the people in the know about track times and heat soak. Some don't believe in a HOT metal tubes with cute little filter housings and body color matched options and a magical scoop that adds hp lol.

Just me though.

Nope....me too me too! I dont care what the metal is coated with, with a closed hood and driving around (not on a dyno) it will heat soak more than plastic. I love my plastic intake.

Originally Posted by axis

I must not get into this thread. I must not get into this thread.

damnit!
I promise never to post in a cold air intake thread again!

[matt55]

Originally Posted by axis

No pissing contest here. I've heard and read that it works over and over and have yet to see any actual proof.

Motorcycles not cars but a good read
http://m.sportrider.com/tech/146_9912_ram/photo_01.html

[axis]

Originally Posted by matt55

Motorcycles not cars but a good read
http://m.sportrider.com/tech/146_9912_ram/photo_01.html

That's an old test and the ONLY one that comes up with any positive info. It's also not exactly a fair test when you're running fan strapped ducting directly to the air boxes. That's not a true representation of what's going on while driving down the road. Put a pressure meter in the airbox and run it at different speeds to see what's really going on.

[joelster]

Originally Posted by axis

Can you show me where it's been proven to work at anything less than 200+mph?

I have a homemade ram air style setup on my LT1 car. I have 2 flexible tubes that extend through the foglight openings, connect to a y-pipe, and then into the maf/TB. It's worth 2 mph on my car, and I trap over 130mph.

I think you are under the impression that "ram air" means pressurized (ie: boosted) air, when it does not. It is simply a style of intake that forcibly, maneuvers the air into the engine by a scooped passageway.

[Nightmare2012]

Can we see it Joel sounds like a successful intake

[joelster]

Originally Posted by Nightmare2012

Can we see it Joel sounds like a successful intake

You can see the tubes where the foglights used to be. This is the tubing I used:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/spe-9751/overview/





The chrome elbow war $20 or so, the y-piece was from spectre as well. The entire thing was well under $100. Good for roughly 20-30hp.

[danl]

I would have got one.
I found out they don't support 2013.
I looked at the new ERA OTR, and liked it. . until I saw the price! hahaha

[The_Stache]

Love mine, wouldn't get any other intake out there with the heat we see in AZ.

[axis]

Originally Posted by joelster

I have a homemade ram air style setup on my LT1 car. I have 2 flexible tubes that extend through the foglight openings, connect to a y-pipe, and then into the maf/TB. It's worth 2 mph on my car, and I trap over 130mph.

I think you are under the impression that "ram air" means pressurized (ie: boosted) air, when it does not. It is simply a style of intake that forcibly, maneuvers the air into the engine by a scooped passageway.

There's a HUGE difference between adding additional airflow and actually providing "ram air". By your definition, the scoop that many now sell is considered ram air too. VR actually claimed to increase the pressure in the IM, along with dropping IAT's 20+ degrees BELOW ambient.

[IMJ]

Anyone had any contact with Vararam about completing their 12+ unit? There haven't been any updates in 2x1500 years.

[Nightmare2012]

Just swap radiators and the install is simple on the 2012s

[911medic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

1) I will give you that.

Thanks for "giving" me an undisputable fact.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

2) Some people thought the Earth was flat. Ram air (simplified term as it is widely understood to be) has been more than disproven from sport bikes to sport cars.

Fixed that for you. If you believe this, then why, just last month, when Axis challenged your "ram air" comment about this intake, did you decide that you "chose your words poorly"? See posts 24 and 25 in that thread.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

3) Where did you hear see or read this? Or who's buddy told you this?

Right here on this forum. If you can point me to where there is independent dyno testing of their product, I'd love to see it. But when I search, I find things like this, from 2012:

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

There have been so many changes to the Vararam I would have to get a NEW one and test it.

But Vararam must Provide it and Agree for us to test it, which in the past they declined, I suspect due to on going design changes.

I have had good results with Vararam with custom tuning.

Ted.

And this:

Originally Posted by axis

VR has declined all of the independent testing.

Originally Posted by axis

They've openly said that their intake doesn't show it's real potential on the dyno yet they claim 20+whp DYNO PROVEN. I think it's a decent intake, I just have issues with many of their claims.

Please show me otherwise.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

People don't like Vararam here because this is CAI territory. A dyno from a long time ago showed CAI to be one of the top gainers on one particular car on one particular day and hence, the phrase "CAI FTW" came into existence.

I don't have a CAI brand intake, BTW.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

People who know how engines operate and know the advantages and disadvantages of different style intakes and what style intake best suits there personal desires will choose an intake with discretion. Others need to see numbers...

Hmmm. And what is one way to assess the advantages and disadvantages of different style intakes? Oh, yeah! Numbers! Testing! That's all I'm asking for, but I guess that means I don't know how engines operate. Again, please direct me to some test results. I'm genuinely interested.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Vararam is a good intake if it is what you are looking for.

I would agree 100% with this. But the OP asked a question, and I gave MY answer and reasons why. It's not everyone's answer, obviously. Many users like yourself bought and are happy with the Vararam. Many claim seat-of-the-pants results. Others claim better track times. Wonderful! Can't argue with that.

Tampa Tuning above has stated it "pulls the average numbers" after dyno tuning, and in the quote i used above, Jannetty stated that he's had good luck tuning with this intake. Clearly it does its job with tuning.

I have never said it was a bad intake. All I said was they market their intake with the idea of "ram air," which I don't believe in, and that they have refused to allow dyno testing of their product, which is important to me.

I'm glad you're happy with your Vararam.

[Nightmare2012]

Its a cai! As long as it doesn't have a k and n in it they all work pretty much similarly! Even the k&n has its upside as it performs better than stock but heat soak and not being able to successful seal the filter from the engine bay is what makes it a "not so great" intake. I for one hate the way vararam lies in the market but it was the best intake for my racing application which dropped my ets and bumped my mph(going from k&n to vr) so for me it works, but on the other hand they should really cut the advertising crap of 40+HP gains that's

[wally mayfield]

Im thinking at 100+ mph theres going to be some wind forced into the air box..or are turbos and blowers a hoax?