01-24-2021, 06:31 PM | #57 | |
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I mean everyone is driving a $60-80k Camaro and discussing mods as high as $50k, so... really?
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01-24-2021, 06:32 PM | #58 |
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Imagine using the M1 0w40 fs euro in the 12qt box for $35 and getting approved for the $20 rebate lol
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01-24-2021, 07:04 PM | #59 |
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Hey Msquared,
Your logic is scientific, rational, and on-point regarding the oil weight options and implications. It would be great if you could take a look at the M6 trans thread I started recently in the Maintenance section and offer your views on the questions I posed as to whether the OEM fluid (and the new Tremec fluid) are more viscous than they should be for the TR6060 trans. |
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BTW, in that link it has an update with the zinc level for the 0w40 ESP, and I understated it. It's really 990ppm. I'll correct the post above. Quote:
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01-24-2021, 10:56 PM | #61 |
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I drive a $47k CAD Camaro with zero mods. My track budget is $20k per season. If i can save 50% on a maintenance item without cutting down on quality i will surely do it. Cheers!
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01-24-2021, 11:15 PM | #62 | |
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Now that you have narrowed it down: I will concede, that 5w40 won't give better cold start protection per se. But i will rephrase it: both will provide fantastic level of cold start protection. With an edge going to 0w40 if the temp is -40 vs -30C. So as i had said earlier, we are splitting hairs. For me anyway as i only drive mine in summer time. And because GM themselves give 4 oils to pick from if one looks at a broader official documentation vs just the 2020 owners manual. Including advice from Chief Engineers. However, i must admit, that given Rockauto sells Mobil1 ESP Formula Dexos2 for $8 CAD per L, that sure changes a lot and you are correct, i cannot find another suitable oil at 50% off given that price. But, as recently as last year, the pricing was very different and effectively Motul 5w40 Dexos2 was indeed 50% cheaper. That's $400+ bucks for the season for me...I also need to check how much delivery and customs would cost for me. Hopefully this is a permanent market pricing change vs one off. Anyhow, always good to learn something and exchange info, even if we do not see exactly eye to eye on all details. Cheers! PS I could indeed save 50% if i decided to run 5w30 (which is not Dexos2, but Dexos1.2 btw). But, this oil is not authorized for track, since i will not. Even though, it was oil of choice for my modded C5Z for a decade of track duty. But, different motor and different times... |
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01-24-2021, 11:27 PM | #63 |
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It blows me away everyone here has a roughly $40k-$80k car and you all are worried about a a hundred or so dollars per year on oil... REALLY???
I'll say it yet again... "Fluids are CHEAP, components are NOT!... Choose wisely..." This ain't rocket science!!!
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01-24-2021, 11:46 PM | #64 | |
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This is not about going "cheap" on quality. Both 0w40 and 5w40 Dexos2 are officially approved by GM as top drawer choices. Read the spec sheets! Those oils are practically identical and hence both get Dexos2 certifications. Of i can spend $8 per L vs $20 per quart for the same quality, why the heck not? Other than that, i fully agree with your statement: maintenance is cheap in comparison to tearing up the car for component replacements. BUT, none of the oils certified and recommended by GM will ever lead to this. That's my point. |
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01-24-2021, 11:53 PM | #65 | |
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My point wasn't $100 per year to change oil, it was the $100 per year DIFFERENCE from going with some unapproved, cheap oil to going with the approved oil (the delta on say 3 changes per year is maybe $100)... I have ALWAYS gone by the philosophy that "fluids are cheap, components are not!"... I ALWAYS error on the side of caution when changing the fluids in my vehicles... Even ALL of my family "Daily Driver" cars get full synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles (Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20 and a new OEM filter at every change)... Even my youngest daughter's 2007 (bought new in July 2006) Hyundai Santa Fe which now has 140,000+ miles still looks like new in the valve covers... Money well spent... The thing still doesn't burn any oil between changes... Runs like a top!!!
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01-24-2021, 11:58 PM | #66 | |
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Too many folks wait till the computer says 0 life left on oil... You gave me this impression by mentioning $100 per year. My difference is much more than that per single fill between Mobil1 and Motul. Also agree, i would NEVER use any unapproved fluid in any of my vehicles. Period. Full stop. And i always change oil at 50% life in all my vehicles. And there is a good reason for that. Cheers! |
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01-25-2021, 12:11 AM | #67 | |
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Change your damn fluids, it is cheap insurance!!! "If you can't afford the proper maintenance on a Camaro, you can't afford the Camaro!!!" If you are wringing your hands over a $100 oil change, go buy something else, you bought the WRONG car...
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01-25-2021, 12:30 AM | #68 |
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Well, being in engineering, efficiency is something that I care about.
If I can get pretty much the same thing for less money, why not?
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01-25-2021, 07:59 AM | #69 |
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Absolutely!
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01-25-2021, 08:06 AM | #70 |
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As I said at the start of this thread, I use the recommended 0W40 Dexos 2. Most of the other posts involve an argument about whether or not 5W will suffice.
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