Phaser Limiter Vs Lockout?

DorkMissile · 01-14-2020, 09:12 PM

Just out of curiosity - is installing a "lockout" the same as installing a "limiter"? I look at the parts for the lockout and it looks like you insert a setscrew in the middle of the block to wedge the block from moving? I can't find any instructions on the lockout itself.

That being said, when would one want to lockout vs use a limiter?

oldman · 01-14-2020, 09:26 PM

My lockout it a block that fills the chamber vs my 20 degree one before. With stock valve reliefs any phasing with long duration high lift cams will cause the valve to hit the piston. With aftermarket deep relief pistons this is slightly less of a worry.

parish8 · 01-14-2020, 09:31 PM

my Lock our kit was a limiter kit with an extra wedge that resulted in a complete lock out.

I was told after I got the parts that if your doing a lock out you can just get a cam and sprocket that eliminates all those parts.

DorkMissile · 01-15-2020, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by parish8

my Lock our kit was a limiter kit with an extra wedge that resulted in a complete lock out.

I was told after I got the parts that if your doing a lock out you can just get a cam and sprocket that eliminates all those parts.

Yea - the part being left out is that you need to spend another $700 for the special cam and the billet alum cover from Katech that lets you run the LS gear on the LT cam

KingLT1 · 01-15-2020, 10:47 PM

Just use the 0 degree lock out wedge on the stock cam phaser and save 700.00. it's what Brett uses on all his builds.

He just finished up a NA stage 2 H/C A10 car that put down 619whp.

oldman · 01-15-2020, 10:57 PM

500 from cam motion

DorkMissile · 01-16-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

500 from cam motion

The cover is $500, but the price for the "VVT Delete" cam goes up $175 also (for the same spec cam)

I would like to run this setup, but can't justify it at this point

parish8 · 01-16-2020, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DorkMissile

The cover is $500, but the price for the "VVT Delete" cam goes up $175 also (for the same spec cam)

I would like to run this setup, but can't justify it at this point

I didn’t know you needed a $500 cover. Ouch.

DorkMissile · 01-16-2020, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by parish8

I didn’t know you needed a $500 cover. Ouch.

Need it for two reasons - first to control the axial thrust on the cam with the LS gear on it (since it does not have the whole phaser setup on it - it is substantially thinner) and the second is that they have to move the cam sensor over to the location where it is on the LS engine as the reluctor setup on the LT is different vs LS

NickyRacerBoy · 01-23-2020, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

500 from cam motion

Bought one

grampa_ss · 07-06-2020, 12:21 PM

I'm new to this stuff...I called cam motion...they said the tool is needed to install the lockout block. So I bought it.

7speed · 07-06-2020, 09:03 PM

Yeah I think if you are having a shop install, they can do it without tool or have the tool, so probably can save a few buck just buying the block.

01-14-2020, 09:12 PM	#1
DorkMissile Drives: 18 1SS 1LE HyperBlue Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 612	Phaser Limiter Vs Lockout? Just out of curiosity - is installing a "lockout" the same as installing a "limiter"? I look at the parts for the lockout and it looks like you insert a setscrew in the middle of the block to wedge the block from moving? I can't find any instructions on the lockout itself. That being said, when would one want to lockout vs use a limiter? __________________ 2018 1SS 1LE / HBM - ECS Novi 1500 S/C Tuned by Carl @ CJ Tunes

01-14-2020, 09:26 PM	#2
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,316	My lockout it a block that fills the chamber vs my 20 degree one before. With stock valve reliefs any phasing with long duration high lift cams will cause the valve to hit the piston. With aftermarket deep relief pistons this is slightly less of a worry. __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

01-14-2020, 09:31 PM	#3
parish8 Drives: 17 SS a8 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: omaha Posts: 1,678	my Lock our kit was a limiter kit with an extra wedge that resulted in a complete lock out. I was told after I got the parts that if your doing a lock out you can just get a cam and sprocket that eliminates all those parts. __________________ dropped a valve in the 6.2. now running a drop in rods and piston 5.3 best et 5.83@121 with the 5.3 http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=465472

01-15-2020, 10:47 PM	#5
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,795	Just use the 0 degree lock out wedge on the stock cam phaser and save 700.00. it's what Brett uses on all his builds. He just finished up a NA stage 2 H/C A10 car that put down 619whp. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

01-15-2020, 10:57 PM	#6
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,316	500 from cam motion __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

07-06-2020, 12:21 PM	#11
grampa_ss Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Stansbury Park, Utah Posts: 1,092	I'm new to this stuff...I called cam motion...they said the tool is needed to install the lockout block. So I bought it. __________________ 2016 2SS, MRC, NPP, A8. Procharger P-1X,Stage II,std bypass, 3.9, Alky Meth - 10.84 @129 - DA+2000 New Mods - GPI drop ins, Kooks 2", LT4 fueling, Cam, Circle D Converter, 3.5 pulley & dual nozzle meth.

07-06-2020, 09:03 PM	#12
7speed Drives: 21 SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 322	Yeah I think if you are having a shop install, they can do it without tool or have the tool, so probably can save a few buck just buying the block. __________________

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