GT500 at VIR

ZRacerLE · 12-05-2019, 09:54 AM

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...ck-test-review

CFP is 5s faster than base car, but why no lap times reported?

I know Ford said they aren't playing the lap time game, but why aren't they allowing the magazines to post times? For $100K, I need to know how the car compares to others before I buy the CFP car.

Mustang fans: many of us track guys would LOVE to switch to the GT500, we just have know it's worth the money.

Gunkk · 12-05-2019, 10:12 AM

When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing.

When you're hiding something, you always have a reason.

"Lightness" was not added to this car...

... but on the other hand ...

It's MT so they may just be funding themselves with clicks.

shaffe · 12-05-2019, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...ck-test-review

CFP is 5s faster than base car, but why no lap times reported?

I know Ford said they aren't playing the lap time game, but why aren't they allowing the magazines to post times? For $100K, I need to know how the car compares to others before I buy the CFP car.

Mustang fans: many of us track guys would LOVE to switch to the GT500, we just have know it's worth the money.

If I had to guess they are going to post lap times in a comparison test and want to give a tease. Ford has done some dumb things in the past, but I can't imagine them giving the OK for MT to take two cars to VIR, with RP and then say oh yeah you can't post any lap times

To be fair MT did the same thing with the C8 Vs C7

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...-track-review/

Didn't post any lap times with it, and this test also happened to be at VIR

ZRacerLE · 12-05-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

If I had to guess they are going to post lap times in a comparison test and want to give a tease. Ford has done some dumb things in the past, but I can't imagine them giving the OK for MT to take two cars to VIR, with RP and then say oh yeah you can't post any lap times

To be fair MT did the same thing with the C8 Vs C7

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...-track-review/

Didn't post any lap times with it, and this test also happened to be at VIR

In that case, great. I'm eager to see how this bad boy performs.

shaffe · 12-05-2019, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

In that case, great. I'm eager to see how this bad boy performs.

Just a guess but it makes sense to me that they are holding the numbers to be released in a different article.

Why else run a C8 and GT500 tow of the most anticipated performance cars and not give numbers....got to to be in a article coming soon I would think

RobbyBeefcake87 · 12-05-2019, 02:10 PM

Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations.

Guaranteed someone comes up with a conspiracy theory as to why lol

ZRacerLE · 12-05-2019, 04:48 PM

Fastestlaps (grain of salt) is showing the 1le being 5s faster than the base zl1 on VIR east course. Kind of interesting that the CFP option is yielding the same delta assuming they ran on the east course.

ZRacerLE · 12-05-2019, 04:55 PM

... and every car faster than the zle on that list is lighter with most being significantly lighter.

Let's say Ford is magic and the base gt500 ties the zle. That would put the CFP gt500 at 2:40. A 4300lb car that out laps a ford gt? But if they are magic, wouldn't the ford gt be significantly faster than a 2:40s lap?

Just having fun speculating...

13vertss · 12-05-2019, 05:23 PM

VIR will also let the gt500 stretch it’s legs.

GuywithL86 · 12-05-2019, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

... and every car faster than the zle on that list is lighter with most being significantly lighter.

Let's say Ford is magic and the base gt500 ties the zle. That would put the CFP gt500 at 2:40. A 4300lb car that out laps a ford gt? But if they are magic, wouldn't the ford gt be significantly faster than a 2:40s lap?

Just having fun speculating...

Technically speaking, according to the laws of physics, weight has no bearing on traction.

In most practical applications it does. Just saying it’s not impossible. It certainly has a hp advantage

ZRacerLE · 12-05-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GuywithL86

Technically speaking, according to the laws of physics, weight has no bearing on traction.

In most practical applications it does. Just saying it’s not impossible. It certainly has a hp advantage

Right. I believe the heavier weight has a slightly negative affect on the friction coefficient (been a while since I studied all that) but the problem is the force trying to pull the car off the track given a constant turning radius and speed is proportional to the mass, so your traction increase would have to be proportional to the mass increase. So I'm thinking speed through the turns is a wash at best against a zle and likely the zle is slightly faster. So it would have to be the scorching fast straight line speed and braking of the CFP gt500 that would be the difference. Seems like it could only be a few seconds though. Again, hope I'm wrong and the CFP gt500 is magic and I have a new car to lust after, ha!

BluinSC · 12-05-2019, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations.

Guaranteed someone comes up with a conspiracy theory as to why lol

They're probably saving Laguna for the Best Drivers Car competition next year. The C8 will definitely be there.

Bosse'sBoss · 12-06-2019, 01:46 AM

[QUOTE=RobbyBeefcake87;10674275]Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations.

I agree

hotlap · 12-06-2019, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations.

Guaranteed someone comes up with a conspiracy theory as to why lol

I wanted them to use the same track that the ZL1 vs GT350R head to head was done at. Big Willow.

The previous H2H was between two cars with a big power gap. So will this one. Eliminate a variable.

Interesting also the MT did the ZL1 M6 vs A10 laps ay Big Willow.

12-05-2019, 09:54 AM	#1
ZRacerLE Drives: The DSSV Twins: ZR2 and ZLE A10 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: TX Posts: 889	GT500 at VIR https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...ck-test-review CFP is 5s faster than base car, but why no lap times reported? I know Ford said they aren't playing the lap time game, but why aren't they allowing the magazines to post times? For $100K, I need to know how the car compares to others before I buy the CFP car. Mustang fans: many of us track guys would LOVE to switch to the GT500, we just have know it's worth the money.

12-05-2019, 10:12 AM	#2
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,973 View My Garage	Weight = killer. When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing. When you're hiding something, you always have a reason. "Lightness" was not added to this car... ... but on the other hand ... It's MT so they may just be funding themselves with clicks.

12-05-2019, 02:10 PM	#6
RobbyBeefcake87 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 1,980	Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations. Guaranteed someone comes up with a conspiracy theory as to why lol __________________ 2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar. 2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights.

12-06-2019, 01:46 AM	#13
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,463	[QUOTE=RobbyBeefcake87;10674275]Interesting that they didn't do it at the Laguna Seca, that seems to be MT's go to with Randy. With Willow Springs thrown in here and there. Usually C&D runs the VIR in my observations. I agree __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

12-05-2019, 04:48 PM	#7
ZRacerLE Drives: The DSSV Twins: ZR2 and ZLE A10 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: TX Posts: 889	Fastestlaps (grain of salt) is showing the 1le being 5s faster than the base zl1 on VIR east course. Kind of interesting that the CFP option is yielding the same delta assuming they ran on the east course.

12-05-2019, 04:55 PM	#8
ZRacerLE Drives: The DSSV Twins: ZR2 and ZLE A10 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: TX Posts: 889	... and every car faster than the zle on that list is lighter with most being significantly lighter. Let's say Ford is magic and the base gt500 ties the zle. That would put the CFP gt500 at 2:40. A 4300lb car that out laps a ford gt? But if they are magic, wouldn't the ford gt be significantly faster than a 2:40s lap? Just having fun speculating...

12-05-2019, 05:23 PM	#9
13vertss Drives: 2013 Camaro convertible 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Southern NH Posts: 1,077	VIR will also let the gt500 stretch it’s legs.

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