[locktyght]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

I see the same type of thinking in the Porsche world. People are very strict that the car stays OEM parts only, because German Engineers.

At the end of the day, say you wanted to keep the car 110% OEM. What would you get out of doing that?

1. Warranty
2. Reliability
3. Easier to sell used/trade-in
4. Cheaper

If a person doesn't care about 1, determines the risk of 2 isn't that great, has no plans to do 3 anytime soon, then that only leaves 4....and for most, this is a hobby that they're ok with spending disposable income on.

The other factor could be longterm collectibility for purposes of hoping values would go up on a pristine 1LE once it reaches the classic car market, but...you'd be better served speculating in some index funds.

As far as performance...let's be honest about our driving abilities....we're talking about the 99th percentile of drivers that could maximize the car from the factory....let alone someone that's determining the 0.01g of traction circle difference from Eibachs.

Also, if 1LE owners head to the track, they shouldn't run OEM brake pads...are upgraded pads a safe change to the world class 1LE?

Camaro = disposable income = spend

/THREAD

[RideZX6R]

Originally Posted by DjsBadger

I don't understand why people buy this car, which numerous tests have shown to have world class handling, and the first change they make is to tires and suspensions. Probably 99.999% of these changes are reducing the capability of these cars. The GM engineers and drivers are pros, seat of the pants be damned, you are not making your cars handle better the overwhelming majority of the time.

Your post is somewhat childish and useless... You're on a forum that mainly centers around the idea of personalization of the model.

But if you feel it's best as it comes in the original packaging... Leave yours stock then. No one is twisting your arm. Also, kindly go away.

[carbon fibr]

Sorry for reviving an old thread. Has anyone found the stock spring rate yet for the 1le?
Also on the Eibach website for the Pro Kit.
SKU: E10-23-018-03-22
Eibach claims: High Performance Handling and Aggressive Good Looks.
Lower Center of Gravity.
Stop Quicker, Corner Faster and get Better MPG!
Progressive Spring Design for Excellent Ride Quality.


any input?

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by carbon fibr

Sorry for reviving an old thread. Has anyone found the stock spring rate yet for the 1le?
Also on the Eibach website for the Pro Kit.
SKU: E10-23-018-03-22
Eibach claims: High Performance Handling and Aggressive Good Looks.
Lower Center of Gravity.
Stop Quicker, Corner Faster and get Better MPG!
Progressive Spring Design for Excellent Ride Quality.


any input?

Are you going to increase damping rates to match?

[carbon fibr]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Are you going to increase damping rates to match?

No.
Basically I want my car a little lower but dont want to sacrafice on track performance.

[RideZX6R]

Originally Posted by carbon fibr

No.
Basically I want my car a little lower but dont want to sacrafice on track performance.

Wow, been a while since I made this thread heh

OE Rates for SS 1LE have been posted (maybe in this thread? don't recall because of age) - do a search and is should come up ... user F1FTY had a spring/shock dyno/assessment done and posted results a while ago

I've followed this topic EXTENSIVELY on fb and the forum...

From everything I've read/tried etc - Nothing is better than OEM springs yet.

This is because...

#1 the SS 1LE is a very small subset of the Camaro so the profitability is low compares to just standard SS/V6/I4 springs
#2 A lot of SS 1LE folks like the stock suspension enough not to change it OR
#3 Many SS 1LE guys race in specific race classes and some classes won't allow spring changes
#4 The big time track guys buy the DSSV upgrade

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by carbon fibr

No.
Basically I want my car a little lower but dont want to sacrafice on track performance.

check out the yyz springs you will love em

[RideZX6R]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

check out the yyz springs you will love em

You and I discussed this bruh... They're not for MRC/1LE

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by RideZX6R

You and I discussed this bruh... They're not for MRC/1LE

i wasnt talking to you i was talking to cf guy above you and they are for mrc and have been tested on mrc 2ss , not sure about 1le but they will fit and work just fine and if you want more info you can always call or email john powell

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by carbon fibr

No.
Basically I want my car a little lower but dont want to sacrafice on track performance.

So you want it to rebound more and lose traction on the track? Because that's what will happen if you increase the spring rate and not the damping amount at the same time. If you lower it, to prevent bottom-out the spring rate has to be higher, if it's higher, it needs stiffer/heavier damping to prevent blowing through the travel, excessive chassis movement and the wheels losing contact with the pavement. Suspension 101.

[RideZX6R]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

i wasnt talking to you i was talking to cf guy above you and they are for mrc and have been tested on mrc 2ss , not sure about 1le but they will fit and work just fine and if you want more info you can always call or email john powell

Sorry, I'm half wrong - They're not for 1LE MRC... but many LOVE them for non1LE MRC.

[AZ_1LE]

Originally Posted by DjsBadger

I don't understand why people buy this car, which numerous tests have shown to have world class handling, and the first change they make is to tires and suspensions. Probably 99.999% of these changes are reducing the capability of these cars. The GM engineers and drivers are pros, seat of the pants be damned, you are not making your cars handle better the overwhelming majority of the time.

You're ignoring the fact that the engineers also had to design the suspension to be daily-driver friendly. This isn't a race car, it wasn't designed to be. If you want to take your OEM suspension and make it stiffer, resulting in a harsher ride but increase its handling capabilities, that's totally up to you. But to say that the GM engineers designed a suspension that you could basically take straight to World Challenge is being a little ignorant and far-fetched.