02-20-2020, 04:33 PM | #477 |
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The same was said of tuning computer-controlled fuel and timing back in the 1980s yet here we are in a world where you don't have to drive to far to find a shop that can tune the vehicle of your choice to extract more HP/TQ and in some cases better efficiency and MPG. I'm not saying suspension tuning is easy because it isn't but tuned for individual use without giving consideration to a compliant, good ride...etc it is absolutely possible to surpass OEM MRC damping along with much more tunability than a set of "click to change" dampers which lacks the fidelity of changing ones and zeros.
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02-20-2020, 04:40 PM | #478 |
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GM must have picked the DSSV over MRC on the Z/28 and ZLE, I have my own opinion but don't feel like thread jacking for today.. The Motortrend article covers a lot of suspension ground. Note the GT500 base seems to do well enough on PS4S and plain dampers.
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02-20-2020, 04:41 PM | #479 |
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I think that the last few years has played out as many expected. Sales for the Pony car and all cars have dropped a good bit (25%-50%). Ford is still tied to the Mustang and even if it sells each and every GT500 that it makes, it will not influence their bottom line. Much the same can be said for Camaro and Corvette. However, GM took a leap forward with the C8. Some car companies survive off of ME platform sales GM has positioned itself not to take a bite out of Ford, but to take a bite out of Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche. The Corvette is not competing with the Mustang.
Will there be a Gen7 Camaro? My crystal ball is pretty murky on that subject. What will be beyond the S550 platform for Ford? It is painfully obvious that the S550 platform is nowhere near the Alpha platform. However, sales are still stronger for the Mustang than for the Camaro (both are down). Bottom line is that for roughly the same dollars, one can get a ZL1 that performs as well as the C8 Corvette, more or less. The same cannot be said of the Mustang.
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I gotta quit staying away from the forum for multiple days, too many things to quote. So I'll cut most of Blaqs quotes i had in here and just say HOLY FREAKING WOW HE NEVER LEARNS ANYTHING!
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02-20-2020, 06:00 PM | #482 |
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Um I got deep and shallow stage mixed up while I was playing a game WOT and probably drinking too (I never tank without drinking). What other "facts" did I get wrong. I'm pointing out that 1/4 mile times in part are dependent on how they are measured. That hero times don't represent flag drop or stop light or 3rd wheel times. The GT500 is obviously is WAY slower on true 0-60 times. AKA I slap down the throttle and when I reach 60 that is the time. But with a good driver and staging and making use of roll out, I pointed out it can go much quicker in the trimmed 1/4 mile. On the street where most of these cars will spend 99.9% of their lives, it is 0-60 that is the true measure of the cars acceleration chops and the C8 destroys the GT500 by a wide margin and the GT500 is within a driver's race of even a GT and SS and that would be ONLY if the dude does not use LC, because it is obviously sluggish. So please if you know so much about it, why did you not bring it up before? Right.. thought so. Basically all these tests are designed to show how a production car will perform on the street, and it should be obvious from the video any flag drop type or measure the GT500 is sluggish. Forum rules prevent us from talking about other types of street acceleration, that said, a car that is sluggish from a non-count down start, is going to get whipped out in actual usage. It's like taking a shotput to a fencing match, both are actually weapons of war FYI.
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02-20-2020, 06:09 PM | #483 |
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Every drag strip times the same way, when the tire leaves the beam. Just like Robby said, you can sit there all day and it doesn't affect your ET, only RT and RT is not part of your 1/4 mile time. RT only matters if you are racing the guy in the other lane...
The GT500 is slow 0-60 because where have i said this a million times before? TRACTION! THAT'S THE ONLY REASON You don't care about track times or strip times and I don't care about your street times. The track and strip are where real performance is measured and I am in the 0.1% I guess so that's why i think this way. |
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The people who have positive things to say about DSC on the Camaro 6 platform almost always turn out to be sponsored / given product by them. Or they pop the DSC controller on a street car and say it 'feels' better. I'll trust members like Ryephile on the issue: Quote:
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02-20-2020, 06:24 PM | #485 | |
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Yet you claim the "only reason" is traction, do you think the GT500 is unique on not being able to hook all its HP to the ground? Is slower in a flag drop in part to a lazy DCT, it is slower 0-60 than its 1/4 miles times would lead one to believe in part because many 1/4 mile runs are made with 1 foot roll outs, while a flag drop drag or 0-60 is just that, which car is faster to speed or distance and 0-60 the GT500 is way slower than a launch controlled 760 HP should be, about as fast a bolton auto SS and I would assume bolton auto GT, that ain't good. Yep and when I do go to my local strip I see about 50 racers a night about 1/2 them are on licensed street cars and about 10% of them even have street radials. But on my daily drives I see and many performance cars in the wild. You think the dude next to me on my way to yoga rolls down his window and shows me his time slip. I don't know why you are getting all wound up about this I was then as of now merely pointing out that hero drag strip runs are different from what Joe Average thinks about acceleration runs. That anything the mimics 3rd wheel, true street performance or 0-60 will show the GT500 to be much SLOWER than expected for a 760 HP car shod with cup2 tires.
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GT500 is not sluggish off the line. It's launch control has a delay. If GT500 driver doesn't use launch control he can manually launch at the flag drop with no delay. I don't live in Mexico "Texas" like you so I hardly see other performance cars unless I'm cruising with my buddies. |
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I'm sure I'll see both the 6 and 4 Supra in the wild soon, I'm sure the 4 will go to 400 or 500 HP and will be a force in the wild, the 6 I'm sure there will be overshoot and the 700 HP Supra sure will be fast when it ain't broke and / or sitting in the garage. Just speculation. I'm also sure that Joe Average GT500 is going to be (like me) very leary of any auto back SS or GT especailly anything on 100 wear tires like 888R, becuase as you have already said it is a traction issue.
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02-20-2020, 07:19 PM | #489 | |
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If you can get faster times in your car or a stock car with launch control, then you are bad at launching, it's as simple as that. My Supercharged A8 is hard to launch too, even with DRs I can't floor the thing, but LC sucks in the Camaros. I really don't like the GT500, I'd never buy one, I just don't like when you guys create imaginary problems for it. Traction being equal, the GT500 is faster than the ZL1. I live in PA, the roads are shit and it's 18 degrees and snowing |
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02-20-2020, 10:07 PM | #490 | |
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Me personally, I'm more scared of an auto with 100 wear tires; which I see all the time on my private roadway.... For decades now the roads here were straight and long, now the people from CA are moving to Austin in droves bringing issues to a once fun and open area... shame really.
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