[SomeGeoffGuy]

Originally Posted by 2023ZL1

RUMOR IS GM'S EV BATTERY SOURCE IS THE BIG ISSUE.
NEW V8'S WITH HYBRID SYSTEMS WOULD BE FINE BY ME.

I don't think you will see mainstream hybrids from GM. Mark Reuss has talked in the past about the amount of calibration required in a hybrid - you have to do a gas, an electric, and a combined calibration. His point was that doing a hybrid took the development work of three vehicles, and that GM was resource constrained for calibration engineers. I think the eRay is the exception unfortunately, not the rule.

-Geoff

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

I don't think you will see mainstream hybrids from GM. Mark Reuss has talked in the past about the amount of calibration required in a hybrid - you have to do a gas, an electric, and a combined calibration. His point was that doing a hybrid took the development work of three vehicles, and that GM was resource constrained for calibration engineers. I think the eRay is the exception unfortunately, not the rule.

-Geoff

By the time GM decided “no hybrids, all EV” the hybrid variants (plural) for Corvette were already far along in development and the hybrid system was/is critical to achieving performance targets. So decidedly more a performance feature than a fuel economy feature. For fuel economy, the GM answer is electricity.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Then that vehicle would only be legal if filled with E85 at least for emissions purposes..... But then you would hurt your fuel economy......

This is literally turning into a, " I don't like this, so I will throw every excuse in my temper tantrum" discussion when change occurs.

And I am ignoring the EV transition here. Strictly talking about a switch from OHV->DOHC.

People will get over an architecture change much like people got over the loss of the retractable headlights on C6, loss of round tail lights on C7, and the move to a mid-engine architecture on the C8 Corvette.

Fuel Economy is off set by the lower cost. If all there was at the pump is E85 then it is of no concern. E85 has been around for 20+ years now. It could have went main stream but it's not profitable enough for the higher ups. But if they were truly concerned about the environment alternative fuels would be a lot more available.

The only thing greener about electric is when it's going down the road. The resources to produce the batteries is far worse for the environment than Direct Injection ICE on the road.

This isn't turning into anything...The only one with a Temper is you when somebody offers a different opinion.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Believe the OP was referring to Cobalt being mined by children in the African mines, not Lithium. There was a big news story that broke recently about it.

Yeah, it's worse than most people thought. I have a hard time believing that sourcing cobalt from genocidal criminal orgs is actually legal in most modern countries, execs in related businesses need to go to prison over this. And if the UN can't deal with this type of thing that it's hard to understand WTF they are doing.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ZBdeZLitzqNPBbvv9QIEz

[Casper the friendly G]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Your post reminds me of the Mony Python Holy Grail, sorry.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...6FORM%3DHDRSC3

I'm not dead. I'm getting better.

As for mines and pictures of the children? Well if you have something valuable that can be dug out of the ground by child labor, it's going to be dug out of the ground by children to make someone some money.

But simple sloothing would indicate the largest supplier of Lithium is actually Australia not Africa with Chile second (laregest known reserves). But if you are anti EV, the pictures of the kids makes a better narrative. Pretty sure the largest producer has child labor laws like we do.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

Yeh..searches are so easy in 2023....
Where are the minerals for car batteries mined?




In fact, the richest deposits are in places like the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Australia and Chile. But China set out intentionally to dominate the processing of these minerals, as part of a plan to become a major player in electric vehicles

[JSH]

Tesla price cuts probably killing them

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Fuel Economy is off set by the lower cost. If all there was at the pump is E85 then it is of no concern. E85 has been around for 20+ years now. It could have went main stream but it's not profitable enough for the higher ups. But if they were truly concerned about the environment alternative fuels would be a lot more available.

The only thing greener about electric is when it's going down the road. The resources to produce the batteries is far worse for the environment than Direct Injection ICE on the road.

This isn't turning into anything...The only one with a Temper is you when somebody offers a different opinion.

E85 is a joke in and off itself. It's made from corn with subsidies and subsidies to make the ethanol :-) Go look at what pumps in front of an ethanol plant sell gas for then go to a gas station in any populated area. they bend us over in any populated area for E85. E85 makes zero sense unless its 20% cheaper than regular gasoline as you're going to incur a 20% roughly penalty on gas mileage all things being the same. Lot of moving parts and forcing EVs down our throats is not the answer either.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

E85 is a joke in and off itself. It's made from corn with subsidies and subsidies to make the ethanol :-) Go look at what pumps in front of an ethanol plant sell gas for then go to a gas station in any populated area. they bend us over in any populated area for E85. E85 makes zero sense unless its 20% cheaper than regular gasoline as you're going to incur a 20% roughly penalty on gas mileage all things being the same. Lot of moving parts and forcing EVs down our throats is not the answer either.

The largest issue with corn ethanol is it doesn't make energy or save carbon emissions. If you add up the energy it takes to farm the corn and distill the ethanol (almost always derived from fossil fuels), you're doing well if you just break even.

It does help us use less oil, but afaik we're now a net exporter anyways, so it's not helping with energy independence either.

The biggest plus is it's high octane, lol.

[Capricio]

Ethanol subsidies came about decades ago under the premise that we wanted to increase the price of corn/grains that we had in abundance and drive down the price of oil which we lacked (at the time). A lot has changed since then, in terms of supply vs demand market conditions.

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Ethanol subsidies came about decades ago under the premise that we wanted to increase the price of corn/grains that we had in abundance and drive down the price of oil which we lacked (at the time). A lot has changed since then, in terms of supply vs demand market conditions.

I'm nervous as shit that they're going to phase out E85. If they do, my 11.5:1 CR FI motor isn't going to work out so well anymore. I just got the damn thing back together; I'd hate to have to rip it back apart to drop the compression.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Casper the friendly G

Yeh..searches are so easy in 2023....
Where are the minerals for car batteries mined?




In fact, the richest deposits are in places like the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Australia and Chile. But China set out intentionally to dominate the processing of these minerals, as part of a plan to become a major player in electric vehicles

Actually, the primary child labor atrocities are in the Congo mining Cobalt, which is also vital to battery manufacture. Lithium is South America, Australia and China with their own associated atrocities of the environmental nature.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

Actually, the primary child labor atrocities are in the Congo mining Cobalt, which is also vital to battery manufacture. Lithium is South America, Australia and China with their own associated atrocities of the environmental nature.

And oil is clean as can be? Not. It’s just industrialized and seems “cleaner”.

[Number 3]

And as for Cobalt….

https://fresh-energy.org/whats-up-wi...n-ev-batteries

[MPowered]

All of this talk about petrol, E85, and EV is insteresting. Did you guys see a Top Gear episode last year where they talked about Porsche developing synthetic fuel? Hydrogen based with no emissions. The bad: about $20/gallon. Our government need to get on this synthetic fuel subsidies because they're propping up everything else.