[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by IOMike

It will be very underwhelming if they don't. The performance gap (all aspects) is so large I can't take the Mustang seriously.

I wouldn't call a CAI and tune "so large"...which is all the mustang needs to close the gap in regards to acceleration.

Direct injection would easily make the mustang on par acceleration wise.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

tune

So you have to void your warranty to play catch up...that's a pretty major thing to most folks who just dropped major coin on a new car.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I wouldn't call a CAI and tune "so large"...which is all the mustang needs to close the gap in regards to acceleration.

If that's the case, Ford wasted a lot of money developing the Voodoo.

[crysalis_01]

Coyote should be getting something of substance. In the articles that are talking about the new 4.8L V8 there is the comment made:

"The Windsor Star added another piece of the puzzle, claiming Essex will be “the sole source for all 5.0-liter engine assembly and any potential derivatives based on its platform,” along with revealing the Coyote program will receive “significant technology upgrades.”


http://www.allfordmustangs.com/2016/...al.net20161123

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

So you have to void your warranty to play catch up...that's a pretty major thing to most folks who just dropped major coin on a new car.

It's a price that many...many seem willing to pay. It fairly cheap too all things considering. Time will tell, but my guess is these tunes and CAI are in no way going to affect long term longevity.

Originally Posted by hotlap

If that's the case, Ford wasted a lot of money developing the Voodoo.

The Voodoo is as far ahead of the Camaro as the Camaro is to the mustang. Even with its road coarse oriented transmission its trap speeds really show just how capable they are. If the had a 10 speed transmission, I would expect fairly easy 11 second 1/4 times trapping over 120mph.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If that's the case, Ford wasted a lot of money developing the Voodoo.

Yeah they did.

Camaro just a cai and tune away. And the thing starts at over 50k compared to 37 lol.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I wouldn't call a CAI and tune "so large"...which is all the mustang needs to close the gap in regards to acceleration.

Direct injection would easily make the mustang on par acceleration wise.

A CAI and a tune to match acceleration? Keep dreaming.

I suppose a better set of tires and it will match the handling too.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It's a price that many...many seem willing to pay. It fairly cheap too all things considering. Time will tell, but my guess is these tunes and CAI are in no way going to affect long term longevity.



The Voodoo is as far ahead of the Camaro as the Camaro is to the mustang. Even with its road coarse oriented transmission its trap speeds really show just how capable they are. If the had a 10 speed transmission, I would expect fairly easy 11 second 1/4 times trapping over 120mph.

Are we talking drag racing or road course? In a drag race, there is a tenth difference between the SS and GT350. 5 tenths between a SS and GT.
On a road course, the 1le is superior to the gt350, slotting between it and the R. All with a lot less power and price.

Perhaps they up the game, but currently the SS is in a different league than the GT. Down play all you want.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by IOMike

A CAI and a tune to match acceleration? Keep dreaming.

I suppose a better set of tires and it will match the handling too.

You need to get out of the Camaro world a little more often. CAI and tune coyotes are trapping 115-116mph. They lay down 400-410rwhp. Both are exactly on par with a stock gen6 ss.

Originally Posted by IOMike

Are we talking drag racing or road course? In a drag race, there is a tenth difference between the SS and GT350. 5 tenths between a SS and GT.
On a road course, the 1le is superior to the gt350, slotting between it and the R. All with a lot less power and price.

Perhaps they up the game, but currently the SS is in a different league than the GT. Down play all you want.

The mph tells the story here too. Stock Voodoos are trapping 119mph. Stock Gen6 camaros are in the 115mph range. Stock coyotes are in the 111-112mph range. These all point to the vehicles capability and highlight their HP to wight advantage.

By the way, show me a comparison between the standard gt350 and 1le on the same day wearing the same shoes with the same driver. Id venture to say that if this comparison did arise, even the Non R gt350 is going to beat the 1le.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Coyote should be getting something of substance. In the articles that are talking about the new 4.8L V8 there is the comment made:

"The Windsor Star added another piece of the puzzle, claiming Essex will be “the sole source for all 5.0-liter engine assembly and any potential derivatives based on its platform,” along with revealing the Coyote program will receive “significant technology upgrades.”


http://www.allfordmustangs.com/2016/...al.net20161123

I'd bet on the seconded scenario given Ford's movement toward, and promotion of, EcoBoost. They are moving in the European direction with smaller displacement turbo engines. Think BMW.

The second scenario could see Ford developing its first EcoBoost V8 derived from the Coyote. Dias’ language would make sense as it squares with Ford’s EcoBoost narrative; torque, power, efficiency. We would still likely see the Coyote family gain direct injection, albeit with two turbos strapped to each side of the engine, potentially using similar water-cooled exhaust manifolds integrated into the heads, like the 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6.

The EcoBoost route would give FoMoCo far more versatility in terms of use, besides obvious high-output applications like the Mustang and Raptor, a twin-turbo 4.8-liter V8 could give Ford a viable, and downsized, replacement for the 6.2-liter V8 used in the Super Duty family.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I'd bet on the seconded scenario given Ford's movement toward, and promotion of, EcoBoost. They are moving in the European direction with smaller displacement turbo engines. Think BMW.

It's tough to see a twin turbo V8 make it into a base mustang. Maybe (big maybe) it could make it into a special production model, but offering it as anything but would escalate prices beyond reasonable.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You need to get out of the Camaro world a little more often. CAI and tune coyotes are trapping 115-116mph. They lay down 400-410rwhp. Both are exactly on par with a stock gen6 ss.

It appears to take more than a tune and CAI. This image from the M6G fast list #62

The mph tells the story here too. Stock Voodoos are trapping 119mph. Stock Gen6 camaros are in the 115mph range. Stock coyotes are in the 111-112mph range. These all point to the vehicles capability and highlight their HP to wight advantage.

There is more to the story here too. From Car and Driver...

There’s no shame in the GT350’s 4.3-second zero-to-60-mph run, or its 12.5-second quarter-mile time. The car is not set up for drag-race launches. Drop the clutch below 4000 rpm and the car will bog a bit as the fat rear tires maintain their death grip on the pavement. Launch it at or above 4000 rpm, while the engine nears its torque peak, and you will roast those tires.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...y-gt350-page-3

By the way, show me a comparison between the standard gt350 and 1le on the same day wearing the same shoes with the same driver. Id venture to say that if this comparison did arise, even the Non R gt350 is going to beat the 1le.

We will see soon enough.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yeah they did.

Camaro just a cai and tune away. And the thing starts at over 50k compared to 37 lol.

all the more surprising that Chevy has to discount that 37k 20% while the 350 still commands ADM. must be more to it than #'s

[SpookShow'84]

Yeah, it's the fact that ford has no reasonable segment comparison to the vette, and that it is more of a status symbol car for the Ford fanboys. I do like how it looks and sounds though.