Why GM Is Killing The Chevy Camaro After 57 Years

L2SS455 · 06-08-2023, 12:52 AM

JoeCamaro444 · 06-08-2023, 03:06 AM

Very good watch. Thank you for posting this. The Camaro will most certainly come back, but what it will look like…and sound like, is a mystery. Needless to say, it will never be the same as the long, badass run it’s had.

Wyzz Kydd · 06-08-2023, 04:38 AM

I need to buy shares in GM so I can be a part of the shareholder lawsuit when this blows up in GM’s face.

jamala00 · 06-08-2023, 05:18 AM

I think gm has a part in killing off this site along with the 6th gen. This site is down more then it's available these days. The video was a good watch though.

Smokin19 · 06-08-2023, 06:41 AM

The demise of the ICE Camaro as we know it can be traced directly to the the government. The EPA along with this administrations policy to eliminate fossil fuel is the driving force that ends Camaro production. When the government bailed out GM it's tentacles were already revealed in just what they could do to force change in automobile designs. Corporations cannot win against a government that uses the law to force compliance. Nothing the consumer does can stop this even with boycotting. Refuse to go along with EV's and the government will just raise the price of fuel to force compliance. So enjoy your Camaro for now knowing you can't win this fight.

Wyzz Kydd · 06-08-2023, 07:05 AM

The tree of liberty needs watering.

bigd1276 · 06-08-2023, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

The tree of liberty needs watering.

From time to time

FarmerFran · 06-08-2023, 07:38 AM

Let's not forget it was put away for 8 years not so long ago.

bigd1276 · 06-08-2023, 07:43 AM

So the government does play a part…

GM-ACE · 06-08-2023, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokin19

The demise of the ICE Camaro as we know it can be traced directly to the the government. The EPA along with this administrations policy to eliminate fossil fuel is the driving force that ends Camaro production. When the government bailed out GM it's tentacles where already revealed in just what they could do to force change in automobile designs. Corporations cannot win against a government that uses the law to force compliance. Nothing the consumer does can stop this even with boycotting. Refuse to go along with EV's and the government will just raise the price of fuel to force compliance. So enjoy your Camaro for now knowing you can't win this fight.

Yeah, I'm not sure the government can be completely to blame here. After all, they didn't force GM into horrible business decisions(Lutz) that DID actually lead to a bankruptcy & begging for a bailout.

If anything, the trimming GM had to do, did lead to a leaner, better GM, IMO. Way too many cookie cutter models across the brands. And if memory serves, I believe they killed the F bodies in 2002 to get out of their agreement with Canada to produce the F bods only in Canada, at that outdated facility.

arpad_m · 06-08-2023, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bigd1276

So the government does play a part…

Yeah, but this is nothing new, it's an Obama era regulation.

bigd1276 · 06-08-2023, 08:20 AM

I wasn’t being partisan. Merely stating the government is dictating.

Wyzz Kydd · 06-08-2023, 08:35 AM

I'm completely non-partisan. I dislike all politicians as a matter of principle. I feel pretty much the same about 99% of federal government employees, excepting military.

I still recall setting a speed record for a cost benefit analysis (rebuilding a destroyed water treatment plant) for the US Army Corps of Engineers, and being told privately that I should have slowed down and used all the billable hours.

The idea that a government entity knows more about GM's business than GM does and could help them efficiently trim down is ludicrous.

Joshinator99 · 06-08-2023, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I'm completely non-partisan. I dislike all politicians as a matter of principle. I feel pretty much the same about 99% of federal government employees, excepting military.

I still recall setting a speed record for a cost benefit analysis (rebuilding a destroyed water treatment plant) for the US Army Corps of Engineers, and being told privately that I should have slowed down and used all the billable hours.

The idea that a government entity knows more about GM's business than GM does and could help them efficiently trim down is ludicrous.

Spot on

06-08-2023, 03:06 AM	#2
JoeCamaro444 Drives: 2018 2SS M6 Hot Wheels Camaro Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: MA Posts: 574	Very good watch. Thank you for posting this. The Camaro will most certainly come back, but what it will look like…and sound like, is a mystery. Needless to say, it will never be the same as the long, badass run it’s had. __________________ 2018 2SS M6 Hot Wheels Camaro loaded (Moonroof, Magnetic Ride Control, NPP, etc…) Previous cars: 2017 1SS Nightfall Gray Metallic w/A8 and NPP 1988 IROC-Z (tons of mods), 1995 Z28, 1998 Z28, 2006 GTO, 2010 Camaro 1SS, 2015 Subaru STI, a couple Acuras and multiple Jeeps.

06-08-2023, 06:41 AM	#5
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,551	The demise of the ICE Camaro as we know it can be traced directly to the the government. The EPA along with this administrations policy to eliminate fossil fuel is the driving force that ends Camaro production. When the government bailed out GM it's tentacles were already revealed in just what they could do to force change in automobile designs. Corporations cannot win against a government that uses the law to force compliance. Nothing the consumer does can stop this even with boycotting. Refuse to go along with EV's and the government will just raise the price of fuel to force compliance. So enjoy your Camaro for now knowing you can't win this fight. __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump. Last edited by Smokin19; 06-08-2023 at 07:44 AM.

06-08-2023, 07:38 AM	#8
FarmerFran Drives: 2023 ZL1 Vert M6 "Sharky" Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 4,032	Let's not forget it was put away for 8 years not so long ago. __________________ 2023 Camaro ZL1 Vert TR-6060 Sharkskin "Sharky" Firecracker Red Wrangler Willys, 3.6L eTorque, 850RE 8 speed automatic, 25W Willys package, Technology Group, Convenience Group (aka $600 garage door opener), Cold weather Group, Trailer Tow and HD electric group with AUX switches, 3 piece black freedom top.

06-08-2023, 07:43 AM	#9
bigd1276 2017 HyperBlue 2SS Drives: 2017 HyperBlue Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PA Posts: 2,137 View My Garage	So the government does play a part… Attached Images __________________ ] http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30755 2010 IBM 2LT RS......Traded for..... 2012 IBM 2SS RS......Traded for..... 2017 HBM 2SS

06-08-2023, 08:20 AM	#12
bigd1276 2017 HyperBlue 2SS Drives: 2017 HyperBlue Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PA Posts: 2,137 View My Garage	I wasn’t being partisan. Merely stating the government is dictating. __________________ ] http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30755 2010 IBM 2LT RS......Traded for..... 2012 IBM 2SS RS......Traded for..... 2017 HBM 2SS

06-08-2023, 04:38 AM	#3
Wyzz Kydd Banned Drives: 2018 Camaro SS1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,595	I need to buy shares in GM so I can be a part of the shareholder lawsuit when this blows up in GM’s face.

06-08-2023, 05:18 AM	#4
jamala00 Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Hyper Blue Metallic Join Date: May 2020 Location: WI Posts: 2,451	I think gm has a part in killing off this site along with the 6th gen. This site is down more then it's available these days. The video was a good watch though.

06-08-2023, 07:05 AM	#6
Wyzz Kydd Banned Drives: 2018 Camaro SS1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,595	The tree of liberty needs watering.

06-08-2023, 08:35 AM	#13
Wyzz Kydd Banned Drives: 2018 Camaro SS1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,595	I'm completely non-partisan. I dislike all politicians as a matter of principle. I feel pretty much the same about 99% of federal government employees, excepting military. I still recall setting a speed record for a cost benefit analysis (rebuilding a destroyed water treatment plant) for the US Army Corps of Engineers, and being told privately that I should have slowed down and used all the billable hours. The idea that a government entity knows more about GM's business than GM does and could help them efficiently trim down is ludicrous.

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