[BuddyLee]

I work for a bank. Hours were reduced and pay increased until two months ago. Then back to normal hours, yet most were working from home and not allowed into the office, 'cept for me and a few other who were designated as "essential". Then last week hours were cut by 1 hour per day but no change in pay. So I am getting a good deal at the expense of all of those poor souls who have to put up with this virus and those whose jobs are impacted by it.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Only a surgical mask, or a N95 mask, properly worn is effective.

99% of the people who wear any mask is wasting their time and actually inviting other ailments.

Not like any of this BS really matters any way since there is a 99.7% recovery rate in the US. It just makes people feel good.

Sorry but that is 100% incorrect. Anything, I repeat anything,,,,,is more effective then nothing at all. 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing

What really gets me more than anything is the last part of this (I hilighted it).
Really easy to say that when you have not lost anyone to it hunh? And I am not singling you out. Just the statement so please take no offense. I have seen the devastating effects this has on healthy people with absolutely no underlying conditions.....Yep. I have lost 2 family members and a close friend to it. And the neighbor 3 houses down is about to lose the father of 2 and soul bread winner of the family because he has it and is not expected to make it. So for anyone to make that blanket statement or the one "the flu kills more" is just plain ignorant. They just do not know better. but like every single one that I personally know that ends up getting it or their family gets it says.....I thought it was a joke. Or , I wish I would have taken it more seriously. Why wait until you lose someone to take it serious? just look at anyone in your household and ask yourself seriously. How would I feel if I lost them due to this?

Am I oblivious to the fact that this has been politicized? Absolutely not. but it is on both sides of the fence. All you have to do is check the news reports from other countries to see how the world is doing.

Whether anyone here believes or even cares about the truth is ok....I still pray you never get it. I have seen what it does

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

If you want to believe that masks are effective, you are certainly free to do so.

On another note - Nationwide, Covid hospitalizations, ICU cases, and ventilator usage are going down quickly. But all we hear about is the rising number of cases (which is basically a meaningless number). Wonder why

It looks like covid as a threat to public health is on the way out. Let's see when, or if, they acknowledge that.

And I guess they are doing this to just help Elon with the tunnels in NY?

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by PeteD

And I guess they are doing this to just help Elon with the tunnels in NY?

This is from the CDC:

Heart disease is the leading cause of death for men, women, and people of most racial and ethnic groups in the United States.1
One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease.1
About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that’s 1 in every 4 deaths.2,3
Heart disease costs the United States about $219 billion each year from 2014 to 2015.3 This includes the cost of health care services, medicines, and lost productivity due to death.

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/fac...%20years%20old.

The leading cause of heart disease is obesity. Maybe we should be wearing muzzles instead?

[Boost Creep]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Sorry but that is 100% incorrect. Anything, I repeat anything,,,,,is more effective then nothing at all. 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing

What really gets me more than anything is the last part of this (I hilighted it).
Really easy to say that when you have not lost anyone to it hunh? And I am not singling you out. Just the statement so please take no offense. I have seen the devastating effects this has on healthy people with absolutely no underlying conditions.....Yep. I have lost 2 family members and a close friend to it. And the neighbor 3 houses down is about to lose the father of 2 and soul bread winner of the family because he has it and is not expected to make it. So for anyone to make that blanket statement or the one "the flu kills more" is just plain ignorant. They just do not know better. but like every single one that I personally know that ends up getting it or their family gets it says.....I thought it was a joke. Or , I wish I would have taken it more seriously. Why wait until you lose someone to take it serious? just look at anyone in your household and ask yourself seriously. How would I feel if I lost them due to this?

Am I oblivious to the fact that this has been politicized? Absolutely not. but it is on both sides of the fence. All you have to do is check the news reports from other countries to see how the world is doing.

Whether anyone here believes or even cares about the truth is ok....I still pray you never get it. I have seen what it does

Apples.

Originally Posted by Red Chief

This is from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/fac...%20years%20old.

The leading cause of heart disease is obesity. Maybe we should be wearing muzzles instead?

Oranges.





One's a virus you can catch from another person, one's a condition you develop from inactivity and overeating.


Though I get your point.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by PeteD

And I guess they are doing this to just help Elon with the tunnels in NY?

You seem to be heavily invested in covid being the end of the world.

That's fine... whatever makes you happy.

[Rob3D]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

This is from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/fac...%20years%20old.

The leading cause of heart disease is obesity. Maybe we should be wearing muzzles instead?

You can’t catch lardass from someone sneezing on you. Plus, the 6ft rule isn’t a problem.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

This is from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/fac...%20years%20old.

The leading cause of heart disease is obesity. Maybe we should be wearing muzzles instead?

Or maybe you should be comparing things that are related. Last I checked you can not catch heart disease from a cough, sneeze or touching something......

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

You seem to be heavily invested in covid being the end of the world.

That's fine... whatever makes you happy.

Does not make me happy. Nor does someone making light of people dying of anything...... If 1 person dies of anything, it is too many if it is preventable. And people want to act like it is the end of the world because they have to wear a mask for just a few minutes out of their lives to go into a store or wherever...It is just as careless as taking a loaded firearm and twirling it around your finger in a crowd of people. Just a matter of time.

All the people that are whining about all of this are the ones that have never had no said to them in their lives......

[PeteD]

And just so everyone knows and likes to use videos and rumors.......The CDC still does not know 100% how it is transmitted. Every time they have it figured out, they are wrong and have to try again. Remember when it started? Only old people can get it. Nope, children are getting it. Young children. Then it is people with underlying health conditions.....Um , nope....healthy people are dying from it. Now everyone has given up and think it is magically going to disappear after November............WHAT
Other countries are dealing with this as well. And guess what. They are not having elections....Jeeeeez


This is the last time I will post about it. So everyone that is in denial can have their fun.........But while you are laughing,,,,,,you better also be praying it does not show up on your doorstep........Peace!

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Sorry but that is 100% incorrect. Anything, I repeat anything,,,,,is more effective then nothing at all. 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing

Actually it isn't. Sick people walking around with an improper face mask, or incorrectly worn are MORE dangerous than a person without one.

If you wear a mask that is 10% efficient, you have a 90% chance of passing germs to the person next to you who *thinks* they are 100% safe because you have a mask on. Wear one with a vent? you are protected (maybe), but everyone around you isn't from your germs. Wear one not sealed 100% around your face and nose? Not safe. Wear one with your nose hanging out?
Guess what? The nasal cavity is what they swab for the test. The virus gets broken down by saliva.

Touch something infected and then adjust your mask? Uh oh, germs on your mask now. Pinch the top to pull it up? Germs on the inside...

What about wearing a mask for 8 hours that irritates your skin and causes infections?

Are you beginning to see how foolish this is?

Originally Posted by PeteD

What really gets me more than anything is the last part of this (I hilighted it).
Really easy to say that when you have not lost anyone to it hunh? And I am not singling you out. Just the statement so please take no offense. I have seen the devastating effects this has on healthy people with absolutely no underlying conditions.....Yep. I have lost 2 family members and a close friend to it. And the neighbor 3 houses down is about to lose the father of 2 and soul bread winner of the family because he has it and is not expected to make it. So for anyone to make that blanket statement or the one "the flu kills more" is just plain ignorant. They just do not know better. but like every single one that I personally know that ends up getting it or their family gets it says.....I thought it was a joke. Or , I wish I would have taken it more seriously. Why wait until you lose someone to take it serious? just look at anyone in your household and ask yourself seriously. How would I feel if I lost them due to this?

First off, sorry for your loss. I understand that pain. Lost my paternal grandparents to cancer. Never really knew them. Lost my maternal grandfather to cancer also. My grandmother to heart disease. A cousin to diabetes. And on and on.

Here is a fact, you CAN NOT prevent people from getting this. EVERYONE who comes in contact with others will eventually get it.

Heart disease is preventable. Catching a virus is not. There is no way to stop it. We can only *semi-control* influenza.

Originally Posted by PeteD

Am I oblivious to the fact that this has been politicized? Absolutely not. but it is on both sides of the fence. All you have to do is check the news reports from other countries to see how the world is doing.

And currently, you still have only a .3% chance of dying. That is comparable to a bad flu season. That is the science.

As a comparison, you have a .7% chance of falling and dying and a .74% chance of dying in an automobile accident (driver/passenger/pedestrian, anything to do with a car).

Originally Posted by PeteD

Whether anyone here believes or even cares about the truth is ok....I still pray you never get it. I have seen what it does

I hope no one gets it either. There is a 1% chance of being listed as "serious/critical". That means a 99% chance of mild or no symptoms.

Am I willing to drastically alter my life over that 1% or a .3% chance of death?
Hardly.

If you want to, go for it.....

As far as politics, this has NOTHING to do with politics for me. This is straight logic, statistics and science. A 99.7% chance of survival.

If you could find a casino with those kind of odds you'd have every dime you could get your hands on in your pocket and be heading that way...

Also, let me address the propaganda video...

It CLEARLY says in the video that "Hart Island has been used to bury New Yorkers with no known next of kin since the 19th century".

No where does it say all those bodies are from COVID. No where does it say how many they buried. No where does it say that ANY of those people had COVID.

They could of died from old age and had no know relatives to take the body. They could of been killed by the CIA for all we know.

A bunch of tragic video with a hefty dose of innuendos to stir up your emotions. NOT science....

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Actually it isn't.

If you wear a mask that is 10% efficient, you have a 90% chance of passing germs to the person next to you who *thinks* they are 100% safe because you have a mask on.

Actually it is and you proved it with this statement. I said anything is better than nothing.....I stated 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing. So I will take that 10 % .



And it is not about drastically altering your life. Jeez. You know sticking a knife in a wall outlet is dangerous. So do you do it?????? Wonder how many percent of the world does that? bet it is way less then those that have died from Covid. And guess what. people don't stick freaking knives in outlets! Did that drastically change their lives?????? Nope. So how is wearing a mask drastically altering your life? And just this little tidbit.....It has already been drastically altered by where you can go , when you can go and how you can go places. Mask or no mask........


And one last parting thought........Your idea about touching something and then touching your mask and wearing it for 8 hours causes infections........Wonder why the medical staff that has to take care of people who have covid are not dropping like flies. They touch the people who then touch the mask, and so on. Foolish ? Foolish is acting like everything is ok and not taking precautions.

Just like wearing PPEs at work. Does wearing steel toes drastically alter your life? Does wearing gloves around hot or sharp items drastically change your life? Does wearing eye protection drastically alter your life? No . people do these things so they can have a life to live. And these PPEs are not even a virus

With all due respect. If you want to risk the one and only life you have. Or the lives of others around you. Be my guest. Anyone...... Your choice. But I will take that 10% and run to the bank with it......I just won't ask for change

And I mean no disrespect but to say heart disease is preventable. That is incorrect.........Some heart disease is hereditary. That is why one of the first questions a doctor will ask is if there is any history of that in the family

[PeteD]

I swear. This is my last post......And I will never visit this thread again.

Everyone keeps talking about the flu. It is more deadly. We can only control it.
Always some excuse one wants to put up. But the very sad truth is. It is all about money. We can not even cure the common cold. Now ask yourself why? How much money do the drug companies make each year off of over the counter rememdies? Like theraflu,nyquil, etc,,,. Always,,,,ALWAYS about the money. If they cured the cold or the flu, they all would go out of business.........

And while we are talking about the flu. I have always gotten a flu shot and never had the flu. I will be 54 in December. And that one simple shot has not drastically altered my life in one bit

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Actually it is and you proved it with this statement. I said anything is better than nothing.....I stated 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing. So I will take that 10 % .

Cool! Send me 100 bucks then and I'll send you 10 back. After all, something s better than nothing, right?

Originally Posted by PeteD

And it is not about drastically altering your life. Jeez. You know sticking a knife in a wall outlet is dangerous. So do you do it?????? Wonder how many percent of the world does that? bet it is way less then those that have died from Covid. And guess what. people don't stick freaking knives in outlets! Did that drastically change their lives?????? Nope.

A 100% preventable event vs. an event that will happen. It's only a matter of time until you get it, if you haven't already.

Originally Posted by PeteD

So how is wearing a mask drastically altering your life? And just this little tidbit.....It has already been drastically altered by where you can go , when you can go and how you can go places. Mask or no mask........

Redundant statement... Mask or no mask, the germaphobes have drastically altered everyone's life over a .3% chance of dying.
The ironic part? They have better than a 3x greater chance of dying as they drive to and from the store where they need to wear their mask.
The double bonus ironic part? The people who want to make everyone wear the mask have been saying for the last 50 years that the planet is overpopulated and we need a "plague" to kill off the "parasites" that are destroying the earth.

Now, a "pandemic" is here, they are all scared to death. You'd think they'd be holding hands, singing praises to Gaia that their wishes have been answered. Go figure...

Originally Posted by PeteD

And one last parting thought........Your idea about touching something and then touching your mask and wearing it for 8 hours causes infections........Wonder why the medical staff that has to take care of people who have covid are not dropping like flies. They touch the people who then touch the mask, and so on. Foolish ? Foolish is acting like everything is ok and not taking precautions.

Seriously? Trained professionals who have the proper masks, properly worn, who change them after every patient vs. "Ethyl" who's aunt made her a mask with over sized elastic straps so "it fits loose and doesn't hurt". As a bonus, she hasn't washed in a week because she only wears it for a few minutes in a store and it "isn't dirty yet".

GREAT COMPARISON!

Originally Posted by PeteD

Just like wearing PPEs at work. Does wearing steel toes drastically alter your life? Does wearing gloves around hot or sharp items drastically change your life? Does wearing eye protection drastically alter your life? No . people do these things so they can have a life to live. And these PPEs are not even a virus

Again, (semi)preventable accidents vs. a virus that WILL infect everyone on the planet eventually. There is no one alive that can say they have never caught a cold or had the flu. (Unless you want to be ludicrous and say babies haven't).

You WILL get this flu type infection. Just a matter of time..

Fortunately, it's a virus that you have a 99.7% chance of surviving.