Video: 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs. 750 HP Red Devil 69 Camaro - Page 4 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Bola1103 · 07-31-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.

the zl1 has plenty of hp gm says 580 is all we need

jose1003 · 07-31-2012, 09:02 AM

wow

ForgedReality · 07-31-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.

*sigh*

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from? They don't owe you shit. You chose to buy the car the way it is. Now either mod it the way you want it, or stop complaining.

alex33x · 07-31-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

I'm thinking the ZL1 should have about 60 more hp.

I think we'll see it with the 2014, and something crazier with the next platform.

DanSS24 · 07-31-2012, 12:36 PM

It's nice to see today's technology being able to be installed in yesterday's skin. I for one always wanted to restore a '69 Camaro, and seeing this just confirms what I really want to do. I see a fast, road/track capable Camaro in my future.

Rcfiddy1 · 07-31-2012, 12:57 PM

See, who needs magnetic ride? I'd take a lighter car with more HP any day. Dont need a warranty when I plan on modding it anyway.

Rcfiddy1 · 07-31-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Do not want to lose my warranty. Kind of feel like GM should offer a kit for sale through dealers that gets 60hp without losing warranty. I'm willing to buy it and after spending 60k on the car kind of feel like they owe it to the folks that bought one. Then this totally badass car won't get smoked on the dragstrip or straightaways.

HAHAHA...GM does offer a kit, its called a corvette...

SlingShot · 07-31-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ForgedReality

*sigh*

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from? They don't owe you shit. You chose to buy the car the way it is. Now either mod it the way you want it, or stop complaining.

Lighten up, it's his thoughts on a car that isn't living up to the numbers advertised.

Brianskeet · 07-31-2012, 01:24 PM

The video is absolutely wonderful Camaro porn!! Don't be down on the ZL1 folks. It is with no modification within 2 seconds of a full on race car built by a suspension engineer!!! That is nothing short of incredible and proves what a fantastic car the ZL1 really is. Of course,,,, on the other hand,,,, if you are really disappointed in your ZL1 you could always give it to me.

Doc · 07-31-2012, 02:15 PM

Let's not forget that 69 Camaro is NOT a stock-off-the-showroom-floor model the way the ZL1 is. It's absolutely amazing that a BONE STOCK ZL1 for $60k is that close to a TOTALLY CUSTOM AND MODIFIED track car that costs $250k to replicate.

Drop another $190k on modifying a ZL1 and that 69 will go hide in the corner.

Let's see... lighter brake rotors, lighter 19" wheels, 1-piece carbon fiber driveshaft, lighter racing seats...just those alone would probably put the ZL1 right next to that $250k custom 69 performance-wise. So maybe $8k of mods and you're competing with a car that costs a quarter of a million dollars.

Don't get me wrong; I'd love to have that 69 and it has the most magnificent sound I think I've ever heard a muscle car have. But you guys in a ZL1 have nothing to feel bad about; you have a magnificent car right out of the box that can compete with legendary cars for a fraction of the cost.

CJ1034 · 07-31-2012, 02:37 PM

DangerZL1 was right on track in his comment. No pun intended.

600 pounds is a big weight disadvantage. The HP is over 25% higher than the ZL1, the torque is about 30% higher and it only bought straightaway time, nothing in the curves, and a 2.5 second advantage.

The ZL1 is at least 50% cheaper too. If you kew the exact dollar amount spent and got both cars to the same price level, I wonder what the ZL1 would look like.

Go Camaro!

Gio · 07-31-2012, 05:05 PM

The sound of 69 is....amazing!!!!

FINALLYSATISFIED · 07-31-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bola1103

the zl1 has plenty of hp gm says 580 is all we need

It needs more, no way around it. It doesn't need 662hp, but it needs an increase..

2012ZL1 · 08-01-2012, 12:20 AM

Looks like the real winner here is the ZL1. Almost 700 lbs heavier, couple hundred less hp, 50 to 200k cheaper to buy, and within 3 seconds of the red devil.
Keep in mind also thet although its obvious Mark is an excellent driver, he has a lot of seat time into the red devil which counts for a familiarity that he doesn't have with the ZL1. That taken into account and the ZL1 is VERY impressive.
Most people aren't going to be happy with just the 580hp, so I think a lot of people will seriously up the power, which is really all you have to do to leave the red devil far behind. (not to take away from that car (devil) it is obviously an iconic car in all respects)

07-31-2012, 09:02 AM	#44
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07-31-2012, 12:36 PM	#47
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	It's nice to see today's technology being able to be installed in yesterday's skin. I for one always wanted to restore a '69 Camaro, and seeing this just confirms what I really want to do. I see a fast, road/track capable Camaro in my future. __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.

07-31-2012, 12:57 PM	#48
Rcfiddy1 Sold car... Drives: 2010 Rally Yellow 2SS/RS #37115 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Manalapan, New Jersey Posts: 2,019 View My Garage	See, who needs magnetic ride? I'd take a lighter car with more HP any day. Dont need a warranty when I plan on modding it anyway. __________________ Build Thread ECS Novi 1500 Supercharged, LS3 conversion, Small blower cam, Alky Meth injection, 3:45 rear, BMR Suspension parts, 1LE Sways, Billy Boat ZL1 dual mode exhaust.

07-31-2012, 01:24 PM	#51
Brianskeet Brianskeet Drives: RJTC 1SS RS L99 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 771 View My Garage	The video is absolutely wonderful Camaro porn!! Don't be down on the ZL1 folks. It is with no modification within 2 seconds of a full on race car built by a suspension engineer!!! That is nothing short of incredible and proves what a fantastic car the ZL1 really is. Of course,,,, on the other hand,,,, if you are really disappointed in your ZL1 you could always give it to me. __________________ ARH 1 7/8 coated LT, High flows, Corsa L99 exhaust, Vmax CNC throttle body, Elite Engineering catch can and tunnel brace, C.A.I. Apex Washer relocation and scoop, Janetty Tune, MSD wires, DEI heat shields, RB rotors and pads, Mike the powder coater calipers, pedders lines, Forgestar F14's, Gorilla nutz, MTI spoiler finished by Gary, Gary's Customz Bow Ties, Side Markers and Tails tinted, Bezels matte black, Badges deleted, Windows Tinted, AAC DRL P13W lights, AAC tinted LED reverse lights, AAC LED interior lights, RPI match painted DRL Bezels, Lis plate frame, Lloyds mats

07-31-2012, 02:15 PM	#52
Doc Dances With Mustangs Drives: 2010 1SS/RS MT Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 3,819 View My Garage	Let's not forget that 69 Camaro is NOT a stock-off-the-showroom-floor model the way the ZL1 is. It's absolutely amazing that a BONE STOCK ZL1 for $60k is that close to a TOTALLY CUSTOM AND MODIFIED track car that costs $250k to replicate. Drop another $190k on modifying a ZL1 and that 69 will go hide in the corner. Let's see... lighter brake rotors, lighter 19" wheels, 1-piece carbon fiber driveshaft, lighter racing seats...just those alone would probably put the ZL1 right next to that $250k custom 69 performance-wise. So maybe $8k of mods and you're competing with a car that costs a quarter of a million dollars. Don't get me wrong; I'd love to have that 69 and it has the most magnificent sound I think I've ever heard a muscle car have. But you guys in a ZL1 have nothing to feel bad about; you have a magnificent car right out of the box that can compete with legendary cars for a fraction of the cost. __________________ Blue Angel is here!! 1SS/RS LS3 M6 IBM

07-31-2012, 02:37 PM	#53
CJ1034 Drives: 2012 ZL1 IOM Manual Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northville, Michigan Posts: 85 View My Garage	DangerZL1 was right on track in his comment. No pun intended. 600 pounds is a big weight disadvantage. The HP is over 25% higher than the ZL1, the torque is about 30% higher and it only bought straightaway time, nothing in the curves, and a 2.5 second advantage. The ZL1 is at least 50% cheaper too. If you kew the exact dollar amount spent and got both cars to the same price level, I wonder what the ZL1 would look like. Go Camaro!

07-31-2012, 05:05 PM	#54
Gio Drives: My car.... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Ottawa Posts: 369	The sound of 69 is....amazing!!!!

08-01-2012, 12:20 AM	#56
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	Looks like the real winner here is the ZL1. Almost 700 lbs heavier, couple hundred less hp, 50 to 200k cheaper to buy, and within 3 seconds of the red devil. Keep in mind also thet although its obvious Mark is an excellent driver, he has a lot of seat time into the red devil which counts for a familiarity that he doesn't have with the ZL1. That taken into account and the ZL1 is VERY impressive. Most people aren't going to be happy with just the 580hp, so I think a lot of people will seriously up the power, which is really all you have to do to leave the red devil far behind. (not to take away from that car (devil) it is obviously an iconic car in all respects) __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.