[Palutz]

GM portion of video ends at 2:09

I agree with him with the bs behind the scenes deals these companies are securing with powerful people that can vote on policy. I know no politics here but the EV crowd should take heed to what’s happening behind closed doors. I work in the energy sector here in Texas and I can tell you the infrastructure for EVs is not going to be dependable for at least a decade or more. We’ll need oil for a few more decades but please don’t tell AOC or some of the heads of the car companies this. It’s pipe dreams at best right now. One day I’ll own an EV to take me to work and back home so I can relax and be ready to jump in my ZLE to revitalize my life.

https://youtu.be/l8q8jMGS9C4

[paradigm]

I work for an electric utility. We are no where close to being able to support the policy push of EVs, and electrification of everything.

Also the fantasy of having windmills and solar panels providing base load generation is hilarious.

Are any technical experts actually consulted during these fantasy policies?

[Aragorn]

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

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Ned Stark didn't heed the signs either and we saw what happened to him!

[genxer]

I'm not clicking the link. Is Kilmer short TSLA?
It seems like there's enough tech tw*ts out there to float ESG froth forever.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by paradigm

I work for an electric utility. We are no where close to being able to support the policy push of EVs, and electrification of everything.

Also the fantasy of having windmills and solar panels providing base load generation is hilarious.

Are any technical experts actually consulted during these fantasy policies?

If you ready for summer AC use, then you are ready for EVs. Just ask them to not use AC when charging a car.

[Ambush]

I think some people here are missing the point.
You can absolutely use oil plants to charge EVs, and they can coexist.

Occidental Petroleum (Warren Buffet's darling investment) is building carbon capture into their plants to scrub CO2 and they're coming online in the next 5 to 10 years.

Think about it, Clean air from oil, clean air in the cities from electric cars.

You guys gotta quit your fear-mongering.

[haggler]

I used to commute 54 miles a day to the west side of LA.
The cost to charge at a charging station is around 0.60 kWh.
The cost to charge at home at off hours is 0.22 kWh
SCE is trying to raise rates again, so these are going up soon (and this is not even the summer rate).
Cost to charge for this commute at home is ~$3
Cost to charge for this commute at charging stations is ~$8
This is calclated based on Tesla's own charging calculator modifying their assumptions for my local rate.
If your car gets 30mpg, @ 4.25 a gallon you can see its roughly the same as a charging station
If you car gets 50 mpg hybrid, its 40% less.
Run the numbers, this electric car thing is a sham IMO. This is assuming current electricity prices and 52% renewable energy mandated by CA. CA has the highest gas tax in the nation, the state will eventually try to recoupe these costs in the form of registration tax on EV. Run the number yourself, YMMV.

[LT4Greg]

Originally Posted by Palutz

GM portion of video ends at 2:09

I agree with him with the bs behind the scenes deals these companies are securing with powerful people that can vote on policy. I know no politics here but the EV crowd should take heed to what’s happening behind closed doors. I work in the energy sector here in Texas and I can tell you the infrastructure for EVs is not going to be dependable for at least a decade or more. We’ll need oil for a few more decades but please don’t tell AOC or some of the heads of the car companies this. It’s pipe dreams at best right now. One day I’ll own an EV to take me to work and back home so I can relax and be ready to jump in my ZLE to revitalize my life.

https://youtu.be/l8q8jMGS9C4

I agree with you that it’s just a pipe dream now and in the near future.

[BowTie-Guy]

Originally Posted by Palutz

GM portion of video ends at 2:09

I agree with him with the bs behind the scenes deals these companies are securing with powerful people that can vote on policy. I know no politics here but the EV crowd should take heed to what’s happening behind closed doors. I work in the energy sector here in Texas and I can tell you the infrastructure for EVs is not going to be dependable for at least a decade or more. We’ll need oil for a few more decades but please don’t tell AOC or some of the heads of the car companies this. It’s pipe dreams at best right now. One day I’ll own an EV to take me to work and back home so I can relax and be ready to jump in my ZLE to revitalize my life.

https://youtu.be/l8q8jMGS9C4

100% agree. And I'll just leave this right here, nothing else needs to be said. This was the title of an article in the local news just yesterday.
Texas utility commission chair warns grid at risk for summer outages, pushes for gas-fueled power

[Xaxas]

Originally Posted by Ambush

I think some people here are missing the point.
You can absolutely use oil plants to charge EVs, and they can coexist.

Occidental Petroleum (Warren Buffet's darling investment) is building carbon capture into their plants to scrub CO2 and they're coming online in the next 5 to 10 years.

Think about it, Clean air from oil, clean air in the cities from electric cars.

You guys gotta quit your fear-mongering.

Fear-mongering is the only point for the voter base against this, they try to use napkin math to keep being scared of progress yet they forget that EVs are more efficient in EVERY situation and don't need to be 100% fossil fuel free to be cleaner than ICEs, I don't like EVs as much as them since I spend all my day in a computer already and I like driving a machine but thinking they're somehow bad is just plain anti-intellectualism.

And hey, they grew up with leaded gasoline and turned out COMPLETELY fine! Kids nowadays whine too much eh?

[455Rocket]

Seems to me would need many new nuclear power plants for this kind of change but they don't like those either. When the electric utilities get a monopoly on energy of every kind watch the rates go up to astronomical levels.
Federal government spending billions forcing us to all drive cute little electric station wagons, seems to me would want to be spending on an infrastructure that can handle it to start with. Everyone on that side considers themselves great masterminds and if you suggest it's too much too fast you're called a backward fearmonger.

[Xaxas]

Originally Posted by 455Rocket

Seems to me would need many new nuclear power plants for this kind of change but they don't like those either. When the electric utilities get a monopoly on energy of every kind watch the rates go up to astronomical levels.
Federal government spending billions forcing us to all drive cute little electric station wagons, seems to me would want to be spending on an infrastructure that can handle it to start with. Everyone on that side considers themselves great masterminds and if you suggest it's too much too fast you're called a backward fearmonger.

Rates have gone up twice in Florida this year without any electric car boom because the governor approved FLP and the 1/2 other companies that do power to profiteer because they bribed him, sorry, "contributed" to his campaign, so yeah I would say people who complain about something that hasn't happened when there are other real life issues happening fear-mongers.

My last bill was $175 for a 2/2 condo and I only run the AC at 68 during the night

[Spaceme1117]

Government and car companies need to F off.

Get the F out of my life and stop trying to dictate every aspect of our lives.

Also, EV's are 100% garbage and are not any more efficient than gas cars.

I also completely reject every aspect of CO2 being a pollutant. But is sure does enable governments and big companies to exercise control over everything doesn't it. It's almost like its all a big scam.