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mikeman · 09-30-2020, 11:41 AM

I think most electric cars are throwaway cars. Once their huge expensive battery packs need to be replaced, people will dump them for next new EV on the market. In fact, most will probably trade/sell them long before that expense occurs.

You buy a mid level Tesla Model 3 with the performance option. You drive it around for a few years acting like a bad azz because you're keeping up or beating high performance ICE vehicles from 0-60. When it comes time to replace the battery packs, are you going to invest the money required to replace the batteries? Or, are you just going to replace it with another new EV vehicle? If not, why? Does the current Model 3 have some type of heritage or great design you want to preserve like an old classic car? I'm thinking probably not for most people.

There is really nothing special about them except for the competitive performance they offer over ICE's and the ability to run on electric instead of gas. Sure, saving on gas and the lower upfront maintenance costs are part of it too, but does that really matter to the traditional person who buys a ICE performance car like the Camaro, Mustang or Challenger?

In the future when EV's are common on the road, they will be just another vehicle with the ability to travel to 60 in under 3 secs. That particular performance metric will not be that impressive anymore because everyone will be able to do it. They will be just another bland, boring styling EV owner racing to 60 in under 3 secs on their way to work. The street cred of being a bad azz with a quick EV will vanish because it won't be special. So, I think this current focus on performance over styling and design is a bad thing for EV manufacturers IMO.

InFiD3ViL · 09-30-2020, 12:54 PM

Ironically, it is partly us, the 5th gen Camaro connoisseur, that will keep values on these cars low. These cars were not produced in low volume, aside from some very specific model types. Those of us that regularly care for our cars, keeping them looking brand new by washing, waxing, detailing, replacing every single part before it wears...we are ensuring that more of these cars are kept on the road in pristine condition. The more of them that remain on the road in good condition 20-30 years from now, the less they will be worth overall.

I know some of you will disagree and think this is ridiculous, but there is at least some truth in it.

xstuntman · 09-30-2020, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CCMADONNA

LOL!
i'm always kinda shamed at that carwash with all the Range Rovers and Porsches.

Huh, i thought it was a house!

Fancy looking car wash.
And no, nobody touches my car but me.

mikeman · 09-30-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty CC

I could see it going the way you said... I did see a couple of years ago a Camaro concept named eCOPO it looked like a 2018 and I still like the design and styling. BMW and Jaguar have theirs as well....

Tesla has been very underwhelming in their recent designs IMO. The Model 3 and Model Y are pretty dorky looking compared to the original Model S, but people seem to like them. Ugh!

CCMADONNA · 09-30-2020, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xstuntman

Huh, i thought it was a house!

Fancy looking car wash.
And no, nobody touches my car but me.

usually the same for me but i couldn't during chemo.

imaSSnake · 09-30-2020, 09:28 PM

Took the Kooks long tubes and cats off the car and took it to Chevy today, got the stock tune put back on since my tuner got stolen. They offered me $20,000 and wouldn't budge. Had to walk I couldn't do it today

v8 · 10-01-2020, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

Ironically, it is partly us, the 5th gen Camaro connoisseur, that will keep values on these cars low. These cars were not produced in low volume, aside from some very specific model types. Those of us that regularly care for our cars, keeping them looking brand new by washing, waxing, detailing, replacing every single part before it wears...we are ensuring that more of these cars are kept on the road in pristine condition. The more of them that remain on the road in good condition 20-30 years from now, the less they will be worth overall.

I know some of you will disagree and think this is ridiculous, but there is at least some truth in it.

There is truth in that

stickwiggler13 · 10-01-2020, 01:21 PM

https://www.hagerty.com/media/buying...cs-under-100k/.

Believe it

*mlee* · 10-01-2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stickwiggler13

https://www.hagerty.com/media/buying...cs-under-100k/.

Believe it

Believe what...

ariZona28 · 10-01-2020, 05:10 PM

I'm pretty sure Stick was pointing out that Hagerty was calling the fairly new Camaro an instant classic. You gotta love the explanation for the #6 Boss Mustang. "... use to scare the neighborhood kids in 2035, just to remind them that there once was a time when cars made noise".

mikeman · 10-01-2020, 07:18 PM

The 5th gen is an instant classic IMO. How could it not be. They made it look like a modern interpretation of the 1st gen, particularly the 1969, which IS a classic. The 6th gen design strayed too far away. So, I don't think they will be as desirable even though the performance is better.

InFiD3ViL · 10-01-2020, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty CC

So you have a Fiat 500?

Shit, I'd absolutely love an Abarth, although I know they only listed the regular model. Well as long as I get to keep my SS of course.

redcoats1976 · 10-02-2020, 02:12 AM

the only reason fiat made that list is so many are going to die beside the road awaiting repair...fix it again,tony.

xstuntman · 10-02-2020, 01:00 PM

[QUOTE=Smitty CC;10878277]

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

Shit, I'd absolutely love an Abarth, although I know they only listed the regular model. Well as long as I get to keep my SS of course.[/QUOTE

It's inclusion in the article kind of puts at question if any of the cars are "instant classics"....

I wondered if anyone else thought some of those cars cast doubt on the validity of the article.

09-30-2020, 12:54 PM	#114
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,575	Ironically, it is partly us, the 5th gen Camaro connoisseur, that will keep values on these cars low. These cars were not produced in low volume, aside from some very specific model types. Those of us that regularly care for our cars, keeping them looking brand new by washing, waxing, detailing, replacing every single part before it wears...we are ensuring that more of these cars are kept on the road in pristine condition. The more of them that remain on the road in good condition 20-30 years from now, the less they will be worth overall. I know some of you will disagree and think this is ridiculous, but there is at least some truth in it. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

09-30-2020, 09:28 PM	#118
imaSSnake 'Maro Drives: 2015 SS 6.2L Auto 2SS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: US Posts: 867	Took the Kooks long tubes and cats off the car and took it to Chevy today, got the stock tune put back on since my tuner got stolen. They offered me $20,000 and wouldn't budge. Had to walk I couldn't do it today __________________ 2015 SS 2SS Auto 93 SCT Perf, Kooks LTH & HFC MBRP Axleback Muffler Delete "Z/28" Spoiler and Grille OEM ZL1 wheels 285/305/35R20 BFG G-force Pro Comp 2

10-01-2020, 05:10 PM	#122
ariZona28 Give speed a chance Drives: 2015 Camaro 2LS, 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 2,233	I'm pretty sure Stick was pointing out that Hagerty was calling the fairly new Camaro an instant classic. You gotta love the explanation for the #6 Boss Mustang. "... use to scare the neighborhood kids in 2035, just to remind them that there once was a time when cars made noise". __________________ 2LS: a TREMENDOUS machine. Z/28: it's a BIT MORE POWERFUL, of course.

09-30-2020, 11:41 AM	#113
mikeman Banned Drives: 2015 Camaro Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: My Garage Posts: 1,125	I think most electric cars are throwaway cars. Once their huge expensive battery packs need to be replaced, people will dump them for next new EV on the market. In fact, most will probably trade/sell them long before that expense occurs. You buy a mid level Tesla Model 3 with the performance option. You drive it around for a few years acting like a bad azz because you're keeping up or beating high performance ICE vehicles from 0-60. When it comes time to replace the battery packs, are you going to invest the money required to replace the batteries? Or, are you just going to replace it with another new EV vehicle? If not, why? Does the current Model 3 have some type of heritage or great design you want to preserve like an old classic car? I'm thinking probably not for most people. There is really nothing special about them except for the competitive performance they offer over ICE's and the ability to run on electric instead of gas. Sure, saving on gas and the lower upfront maintenance costs are part of it too, but does that really matter to the traditional person who buys a ICE performance car like the Camaro, Mustang or Challenger? In the future when EV's are common on the road, they will be just another vehicle with the ability to travel to 60 in under 3 secs. That particular performance metric will not be that impressive anymore because everyone will be able to do it. They will be just another bland, boring styling EV owner racing to 60 in under 3 secs on their way to work. The street cred of being a bad azz with a quick EV will vanish because it won't be special. So, I think this current focus on performance over styling and design is a bad thing for EV manufacturers IMO.

10-01-2020, 01:21 PM	#120
stickwiggler13 Drives: 2012 2SS Convertible Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 100	https://www.hagerty.com/media/buying...cs-under-100k/. Believe it

10-01-2020, 07:18 PM	#123
mikeman Banned Drives: 2015 Camaro Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: My Garage Posts: 1,125	The 5th gen is an instant classic IMO. How could it not be. They made it look like a modern interpretation of the 1st gen, particularly the 1969, which IS a classic. The 6th gen design strayed too far away. So, I don't think they will be as desirable even though the performance is better.

10-02-2020, 02:12 AM	#125
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	the only reason fiat made that list is so many are going to die beside the road awaiting repair...fix it again,tony.