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04-23-2019, 08:22 AM | #29 | |
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The oil/gas lobby is pretty big too.. but that might be crossing too far into politics.
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04-23-2019, 12:59 PM | #30 | |
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If I remember right when the government did "cash for clunkers" it affected the cost of lower end vehicles. Some people complained couldn't find affordable vehicles. So I agree with out getting in to it politics can play a huge roll when it comes to autos.
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04-23-2019, 09:37 PM | #31 | |
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Imagine if Hillary Clinton were hired to write Donald Trump’s biography. That’s just about how “objective” that piece was. Let’s start with the basic premise of the movie. Hundreds of people who leased GM’s EV1 electric car were pissed off that at the end of their lease GM would not allow them to buy the cars and, when GM snatched the cars from their desperate little hands, GM crushed most of those cars. Oh, the horror. And the leases were not available only to the rich and famous. People wanting to lease one simply had to qualify, based on among other things, having other vehicles in their household because the EV1 had very limited range and cargo capacity. Go try to lease a Toyota Mirai. You will go through the same screening that EV1 lessees had to go through. What was NOT well explained in the movie was that
EV’s have come a long way for sure. Look at Tesla, and Rivian ( which will be built in Indiana, not Detroit, btw). But even so, 10 years or more beyond the date when CARB was trying to force all automakers to sell 10% Zero Emissions Vehicles, electric vehicles accounted for 1.22% of new vehicles sold in the US last year.
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04-23-2019, 09:57 PM | #32 |
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My thoughts on the future of gas engines. They will be around for several more decades. Automakers have raised the bar on development of fuel saving and emissions reduction technologies that you see (Stop / Start, Cylinder Deactivation) as well as those that you don’t see even though they may be on the cars you drive (Cooled Exhaust Gas Recirculation [EGR], short route EGR, Deceleration Fuel Cutoff [DFCO], close coupled converters, gas particulate filters, high pressure GDI [significantly higher pressure than today’s “high pressure” direct injection]).
There is also a lot of work on integrating electrification with combustion engines. Things like 48V Mild Hybrid systems, 48V based electric superchargers, and other techs that either allow the automaker to downsize the engine or allow the engine to operate long periods of time with the engine off. I’m not talking Stop / Start here. I’m talking integration that allows your engine to shut off at highway speeds for short periods of time. Sailing. While the car is sailing, an electric motor is turning the transmission and driveshaft. Press your right foot and the engine jumps back into the party. Seamlessly. All Audi and Mercedes 4 and 6 cylinder cars coming to market now have a 48V Mild Hybrid system built into them. And Mercedes just introduced their first V8 48V Mild Hybrid system in the GLS that launched at the NY Auto Show last week. The next generation of 48V engines in those cars will likely including the sailing function I described. Then there are companies like Toyota and Mazda that are working on technologies to increase the thermal efficiency of combustion engines. Both companies have engines capable of achieving 41% thermal efficiency. Thermal efficiency is basically how much of the heat energy released from a unit of fuel gets converted into energy to move the wheels. For most gasoline engines, thermal efficiency is somewhere in the 25 - 33% range. Diesels tend to be in the 35 - 45% range. Toyota and Mazda are introducing engines with diesel-like thermal efficiency. If combustion engines were going away anytime soon, they’d be spending that development money elsewhere.
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Nice write ups. I did see where Rivian purchased the old Mitsubishi plant in Illinois and not Detroit. Didn't know production wasn't going to occur in Michigan though. Was hoping to see the motor city selected and thought it would be exciting for them to have companies like this again looking to Detroit. To bad that must not have happened. They do have positions(not just production) in Michigan, California, Illinois, and even the UK though. Just think it's cool they are designing and building a truck like that at all. Apparently Mr. Bezos agrees and reportedly invested several million into the company. Seems like Mr. Amazon has become very interested in investing in autonomous, electric, and even Toyota on e-Palette. Go figure though a logistics and shipping company investing in the future. It was also reported GM might be considering partnering with them. Sounds like GM bailed though. Japan’s Sumitomo Corp. and Saudi auto distributor Abdul Latif Jameel Ltd. are among other partners that seem determined to see the company succeed. Just another step in making more variety available to consumers like us and I'm excited to be around to see the auto world making revolutionary changes!
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04-23-2019, 11:46 PM | #34 | |
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I'm not certain that GM has walked away from Rivian yet. The Lyft and Cruise Automation investments came from out of nowhere.
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04-24-2019, 06:55 AM | #35 |
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YES!!! Thank you so much for the detail on that. I haven't seen the movie, but just based on the way it was described when originally posted it sounds like some completely twisted take on something that had actually happened. Truth and objectivity in the media waved byebye a long time ago - but if you maintain a BS filter you can still usually spot that kind of stuff and those comments had mine pegged - I just didn't have the time to look into it and de-bunk. You did all that work for me - not that it had to be done, but I really like to know! Thanks!
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04-24-2019, 07:29 AM | #37 |
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Great reads Martinjlm, thank you
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The first thing that he said early on in the call, was that the product coming off the Rivian skateboard would be "incremental to our current plan". I took that to mean it would NOT be for a product previously announced. Ford announced the intent to do an F-150 EV in December 2016. So by that measure, Rivian will NOT be providing the underpinnings of the F-150 EV. Makes sense, because with a commitment to the idea in December 2016, Ford obviously has a lot of work into it by now and wouldn't want to just flush that. Also, if you're Rivian in this deal the last thing you wanna do is give Ford the hammer to club you over the head. A Ford F-150 off the Rivian skateboard would compete directly with their R1T, but with better brand recognition. The other thing he said that got my mental wheels turning was that the product would launch in North America. Later in the Q&A he conceded that it might also eventually wind up overseas, but did not say where. Here's my take on that... Other than F-150 (see previous paragraph) what does Ford do that is primarily North American? Two things come to mind... commercial vehicles (Transit Van) and Lincoln. The skateboard could be used to provide electric Transit Vans for delivery services. Amazon is also an investor in Rivian. Might they benefit from an electric cargo van? Ya damn skippy they would. As for Lincoln, the skateboard could easily be used to produce a Lincoln flagship sedan to compete with Tesla Model S, Porsche Taycan, and other expected large lux sedans that are expected to be electrified over the next 5 - 10 years. Lincoln is just now starting to gain presence in China, so that would play well there. It would also give Lincoln the chance to one up Cadillac, the anointed bearer of the electric torch for GM. Either (or both) scenario could work.
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Love the insight.
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