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07-17-2018, 06:19 AM | #72 |
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I am really curious to know how the Mustang forum people are handling this news?
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There is no thread on this at M6G.
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Bragging in the media about aero tuning by a pro driver for 140mph corners while attaching anti track use disclaimers at the same time does indeed disappoint me as it makes such effort completely irrelevant. Thats kinda like marketing new and improved condoms but warning the public they cant use them for real sex. Overall, the whole effort was very clever for marketing purposes, but pointless for consumers, including all the hoopla about skunk works project by Ford enthusiast engineers and such. Unless Ford condones taking corners at such speeds on public roads, which i doubt they do. It is also worth mentioning that of all pony cars it is the Mustang which has had the biggest decrease in sales over the last 3 or so years. 33% to 30% for Camaro (if i recall details correctly) vs modest growth for Challenger. Ford needs to let the dogs out vs creating artificial barriers for enthusiasts. Just imo. |
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ZL1 with 580 HP, GT500 with 662 Z/28 becomes the darling of automotive media, enter 350R SS1LE spanks the PP1, enter PP2. ZL1 and ZLE, GT500 delayed - because they know they need to hit it out of the park. Ford is clearly trying to close the gap, they made a big effort here and as others said just kind of quit at the end. That is disappointing. Quote:
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But as far as clever "sucking and blowing at the same time" marketing effort i give them A+: skunks work project by enthusiasts working unpaid overtime (oh how this tugs at my heart strings lol), Billy the pro doing the tuning, 140mph corners, etc. Just one small print proviso: not intended for track duty... |
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Come on, guys (Ford). You were so close. The GT4 is amazing. The GT350 is great (as long as you get a TP or 2017+). The Boss 302R/S are fantastic. You can do it, but just wont. GM can and does do it; you can too. |
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07-17-2018, 11:58 AM | #78 |
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GM does it and sells far fewer vehicles than Ford.
Ford doesn't bother sweating the true enthusiast details, and they end up selling cars for $10-25K over MSRP (GT350). I'm not sure any of us will present the proper business case to convince Ford that they are at all wrong in the way they approach these things. |
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That isn't at all the point I'm making. The point is that Ford is making what people want, and people are lining up to pay more than what Ford thinks it is worth.
GM is making a technically better product and we're getting 4-7K off MSRP. And that says pretty much all it needs to say about the market we are in. |
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ahhhhh got you.
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Part of that could be of the bad reputation they had in the past, that tends to diminish the future value of their cars, regardless of how good they are or how much they have changed as a company. Perceived quality is very different than current/actual quality. GM is had shitty quality for a long time in the past, and now they are paying for it. The reverse case is BMW, They have their old reputation of "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and people remember that and they are currently putting out shit from their M division and yet people buy into it because of their past reputation. Going from my F80 M3 to my 2SS 1LE, I am going from over paying for an inferior performance product, to under paying for a superior product. A smart car buyer will know the difference.
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So the TL;DR version is, Ford made the PP2 to compete against the 2SS Camaro and left the GT350 to deal with the 1LE?
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The Mustang is a more livable vehicle. That is, it is an easier car, and more versatile car, to owning for the average consumer. I will put money on it has nothing to do with the performance stuff. Chevy, although I love the 6th Gen, lost out in not making visibility better, instead perusing form over function, and not putting more consideration into usage of the trunk, the back seat and main seat cargo. These are all areas the average consumer cares more about. The Camaro is the better performance car. Unfortunately, it is not the better car to live with. I have another vehicle, so, for me, it is not a big deal and the performance of this car is something, to me, worth the compromise. Really, the Camaro, as of now, is like a mini Corvette. End of story. Maybe that's Chevy's business case? Who knows. The lesser sales have nothing at all to do with performance. Face the facts, the kids of today care less and less about this kind of stuff. They are more into the emotion of things and less into the... "involvement" of things. I will say that, the enabling of what the Camaro brings, does seem to bring people who haven't before partaken in performance driving to then do so. [Look around at Mustang drivers: not the guys at cars & coffee, crusies, track events or the drag strip. Check out the ones on your way to work. Driving to the grocery store. At parks and schools. Case in point, when I was in one of my first Mustangs, I used to stuff a mountain bike in the back, along with gear. You cannot do that with the Camaro] Nevertheless, you have to realize this: A car like this, the 6th Gen Camaro, and cars like the GT350, true & capable "value performance vehicles", are ones of rarity and not likely to be around very long... |
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