Homepage Garage Wiki Register Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction Discussions


Phastek Performance


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-09-2019, 05:15 PM   #1
teddyca
 
teddyca's Avatar
 
Drives: Blown C7 and 6th gen
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NorCal
Posts: 303
I swore I wasnt but ordered a Heartbeat Supercharger system What are the must haves??

Well I couldn't pass up the deal and decided to bite. My car is my daily driver and I absolutely love it but didn't want to compromise the drivetrain warranty but oh well. So with that said What are the must haves. Off the top of my head I am thinking:

ported TB
catch can
intake
gauge pod with boost and wideband
__________________
14 Corvette Z51 Coupe - 655RWHP
A&A Ti Blower, Alky Control Meth kit, Kooks LT setup, Corsa Catback, Full APR CF kit, RK Sports CF hood, hell CF everything LOL

17 Camaro 2SS 50th edition. TOTALED 6/2019
K&N Intake, MRBP axleback, Eibach kit, 20" Z28 wheels, smoked lights all the way around, Rockford Fosgate system

17 Camaro 2SS 50th edition. Round 2- 8/2019 550/600 RWHP, Magnuson TVS2300, Rotofab Intake, Corsa Xtreme, Air Lift P3 System, 20" Stance SF-07, smoked lights all the way around, Rockford Fosgate system.
teddyca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 05:43 PM   #2
USAFS197

 
USAFS197's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Navarre, Florida
Posts: 1,691
Front and rear main seals, aftermarket pistons w/ better rings. Other than that, the only other thing I would say would be a must, is a catch can. Everything else is dependent upon how much power you're looking to make. Injectors, fuel pump, etc., etc.
__________________
2019 Corvette Z06 3LZ 630whp, 701wtq: Halltech CAI, Corsa Double X-Pipe, AWE Touring Axle Back, LMP LT4 Lid, Pray 93 tune. DSC Sport V4 Controller (street/track alignment), fully lowered on stock bolts, BC Forged EH172's w/ Toyo R888R's.
USAFS197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 06:03 PM   #3
teddyca
 
teddyca's Avatar
 
Drives: Blown C7 and 6th gen
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NorCal
Posts: 303
That's crazy talk man. LOL I am making over 650RWHP on my C7 with stock internals. I am not looking to make no more then about 525RWHP on this guy. I want a fun reliable car. If there are small mods that help or support the system I will invest.


Quote:
Originally Posted by USAFS197 View Post
Front and rear main seals, aftermarket pistons w/ better rings. Other than that, the only other thing I would say would be a must, is a catch can. Everything else is dependent upon how much power you're looking to make. Injectors, fuel pump, etc., etc.
teddyca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 06:16 PM   #4
arpad_m


 
arpad_m's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,417
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddyca View Post
That's crazy talk man. LOL I am making over 650RWHP on my C7 with stock internals. I am not looking to make no more then about 525RWHP on this guy. I want a fun reliable car. If there are small mods that help or support the system I will invest.
As per JRE, you only need a front crank seal and a fuel pump voltage booster for that safe power level. And the supercharger, of course

I have a catch can, too, but it's mostly for peace of mind, I'm not 100% sure it's needed, but it cost next to nothing compared to the rest of the build, and the original powertrain warranty is gone anyway. (Magnuson does provide a fairly good, free 3-year limited warranty with the blower that covers engine and transmission as well.)
__________________
2018 Camaro 2SS
G7E A8 NPP MRC NAV
Magnuson Heartbeat TVS2300 | Roto-Fab CAI | JMS PowerMAX voltage booster
Soler LT5 95mm TB | 1LE replica wheels | BMR rear cradle lockout | Jannetty Racing custom tune
1100 - 1/30/18 | 2000 - 1/31/18
3000 - 2/06/18 TPW 2/26/18
3400 - 2/19/18 | 3800 - 2/26/18
4300 - 2/27/18 | 4B00 - 3/01/18
4200 - 3/05/18 | 4800 - 3/14/18
5000 - 3/16/18 | 6000 - 3/19/18

Last edited by arpad_m; 01-09-2019 at 06:26 PM.
arpad_m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 06:44 PM   #5
parbreak
 
Drives: 2017 50th Camaro SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Maryland
Posts: 501
You shouldn't need a ported TB.
__________________
50th Anniversary Edition |Borla Atak and 60606 mid pipes| Kooks 1 7/8" | ProCharger Stage II |305/45/17 DRs | Circle D 3500 stall | LT4 fueling | Custom made Lowside Aux Pump | Alky Control Meth | DSX E85
parbreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 08:27 PM   #6
grampa_ss

 
grampa_ss's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Stansbury Park, Utah
Posts: 864
#1 is a good tuner.
__________________
2016 2SS, MRC, NPP, A8. Procharger P-1X,Stage II,std bypass, 3.9, Alky Meth - 10.84 @129 - DA+1700
New Mods - GPI drop in pistons/rods, LT4 fueling, Cam, Circle D Converter, 3.7 pulley & dual nozzle meth.
grampa_ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 08:42 PM   #7
laynlo15
 
laynlo15's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1ss A8, Npp
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: clark, mo
Posts: 6,337
Teddy, glad you ended up with a Magnuson. Pm me if you need any info or help on anything.
__________________
2016 Camaro, Magnuson 2650 Heartbreaker, RotoFab, Lt4 short block (stock) BTR Cam kit, stock heads, stock drivetrain. Kentshotrodgarage (M/T, Racestars) 9.40@147 Best MPH 149 1/4 5.99@119 Best MPH 120 Best 60' 1.35. X Magnuson Employee

2016 C7 A8 E85, Speed Engineering LTs, Nitto 555R2s 11.18@124.76 1.63 60ft, 7.23@98.38 mph
laynlo15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 09:04 PM   #8
Drsagacity

 
Drsagacity's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Nightfall Gray vert
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Swansea, IL
Posts: 1,219
Teddy, as you already know, it depends on boost. On your C7 it's the same motor. The stock Maggie running the 98mm pulley will put you at about 530-540whp @5 psi. If you go with the 95mm pulley it will be 7 psi and between 550-575whp (a8) and you should be solid on the stock fuel system.

a) The voltage booster might not be a bad idea only because it guarantees you will have the same voltage supplied to your low pressure fuel pump. If you look at some of the threads I had when we were going through testing and upping the boost, you can see that the voltage booster did make a big difference. I think that Ted Jannetty also has a great thread where he actually shows how our cars sometimes start up with different voltage supplied and thus the fuel pump behaves differently. In my opinion, it's kind of a low cost insurance option. I personally didn't add this until well after the initial install, but after seeing the difference it made...as others pointed out, probably a good option.

b) The catch can and intake make sense too.

c) The gauges are cool, but I would say that the boost gauge is kind of a waste because with the Maggie you will be at full boost from smash till let off. I have found that I prefer to use HP Tuner to see all of the data, but I like the way the gauges look and the af gauge seems useful. If I had it to do over again, I probably would opt for the HP Tuner nGauge for the driver side vent. It is just much more versatile.

Funny, I am going the opposite way. I have my Camaro ready to roll as my fun car and my C7 is my daily driver. I am planning to keep the Vette in the 550-600whp range as it's my daily driver. I have been looking at the different options: Maggie, Procharger, LT4, and A&A Ti - Vortech.

Which blower do you have on the C7?
__________________
2017 Camaro 2SS vert - Nightfall Gray
Magnuson Heartbeat SC - Tuned by JRE Racing
776whp/745wtq (12psi)

2018 Corvette Z06 vert- Black
To be tuned by JRE Racing
TBD performance

Last edited by Drsagacity; 01-09-2019 at 11:25 PM.
Drsagacity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2019, 09:37 PM   #9
KingLT1


 
KingLT1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: 46804
Posts: 4,175
1) Good tuner
2) LS3 crank seal
3) JMS voltage booster
4) LT5 throttle body
__________________
2016 NGM 1SS A8
Options-[2SS Leather/NPP]
Perf. mods-[Whipple 2.9/LT4-LPE-JMS Fueling/LT5 TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Flex Fuel/CA ORP/FM NPP Axle back]
KingLT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 08:04 AM   #10
USAFS197

 
USAFS197's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Navarre, Florida
Posts: 1,691
Quote:
Originally Posted by teddyca View Post
That's crazy talk man. LOL I am making over 650RWHP on my C7 with stock internals. I am not looking to make no more then about 525RWHP on this guy. I want a fun reliable car. If there are small mods that help or support the system I will invest.
Hardly. Just because you can and have in the past, doesn’t mean that you should continue to do so. I’m of the mind that if I boosted a LT1, I’ll do it once and do it right the first time. I’d like to think that I learned something about these engines by browsing the forums and one thing that I’ve learned is that boosting the stock engine is a roll of the dice to which the odds are not always in your favor.

Granted, you could say that modifying an engine or engines in general are inherently prone to failure but, there’s an acceptable margin of failure that I’m willing to have. You clearly have a wider margin that you’re willing to accept. From a mechanical standpoint, that’s what I would suggest as a minimum to do it right and have it live a long and happy life. From a software standpoint, obviously your tuner will make a world of difference.

Also, if that’s all the power you’re looking to make, it’s completely possible to make that naturally aspirated and not have to worry about the mechanical bits I mentioned.
__________________
2019 Corvette Z06 3LZ 630whp, 701wtq: Halltech CAI, Corsa Double X-Pipe, AWE Touring Axle Back, LMP LT4 Lid, Pray 93 tune. DSC Sport V4 Controller (street/track alignment), fully lowered on stock bolts, BC Forged EH172's w/ Toyo R888R's.
USAFS197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 08:23 AM   #11
laynlo15
 
laynlo15's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1ss A8, Npp
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: clark, mo
Posts: 6,337
Since you live in California I would just stay with Magnuson Handheld tuner and you'll make that 525 that you want. Especially if you want to have the Magnuson warranty. You'll make about 6 lbs of boost or so and you can blow the rear tires off anytime you want and that keeps it Carb Certified. If you don't want the warranty and want to have it tuned that's up to you. I use the Roto-fab intake as most do with the Heartbeat.
__________________
2016 Camaro, Magnuson 2650 Heartbreaker, RotoFab, Lt4 short block (stock) BTR Cam kit, stock heads, stock drivetrain. Kentshotrodgarage (M/T, Racestars) 9.40@147 Best MPH 149 1/4 5.99@119 Best MPH 120 Best 60' 1.35. X Magnuson Employee

2016 C7 A8 E85, Speed Engineering LTs, Nitto 555R2s 11.18@124.76 1.63 60ft, 7.23@98.38 mph
laynlo15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 09:05 AM   #12
L78toLT1

 
L78toLT1's Avatar
 
Drives: Hyper Blue 2016 2SS 6M
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: North Ga
Posts: 1,299
If you go with the 98 or even 95mm pulley, the ZL1 low side pump is a more cost effective option than the JMS and should provide plenty of fuel. You can always add the JMS at a later date if you decide to crank up the boost.
__________________
Baby Blue
2016 Hyper Blue 2SS/6m/MRC/NPP/Silver Rally stripes/ZL1 wheels/6 piston Brembo's/GForce DS and axles/ZLE Cradle Bushings/FE4 ARB front & rear/SEMA Grill/Rotofab dry/95mm TB/Magnuson Heartbeat with 85mm pulley/Full LT4 fuel system/JMS boost-a-pump/Skidmark Garage E85 Sensor/JRE Smooth Idle Cam/GPI piston/rod kit /APR main, head, balancer bolts/Kooks 1 7/8 headers with high flow cats/JRE remote tuned
L78toLT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 09:30 AM   #13
KingLT1


 
KingLT1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: 46804
Posts: 4,175
First and fore most, The purpose of the JMS is to maintain consistent voltage to the low side pump due to the fluctuating voltage on these cars.

Second they do work for getting more out of the fuel pump if you choose to up the voltage.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=15

I agree a ZL1 pump is low cost effective upgrade but I didn't mention it because I could not find any information stating if that pump works in a C7. At that point it might be worth investigating to see if the 19 ZR1 in-tank pump would fit.

or just add a aux low side pump if you don't mind tapping the fuel tank.
__________________
2016 NGM 1SS A8
Options-[2SS Leather/NPP]
Perf. mods-[Whipple 2.9/LT4-LPE-JMS Fueling/LT5 TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Flex Fuel/CA ORP/FM NPP Axle back]

Last edited by KingLT1; 01-10-2019 at 09:50 AM.
KingLT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 09:50 AM   #14
Stefano
 
Stefano's Avatar
 
Drives: 6th Gen NicKey Camaro & others.
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Saint Charles, Illinois
Posts: 459
Congrats. Nice choice.
Stefano is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.