04-21-2018, 11:24 PM | #29 |
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The v6 Camaros with a supcharger still aren't as quick in a quarter mile as the i4, the low end torque we make with bolt ons and a tune even give v8s a difficult time. I've humbled a couple of v8s already
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I heard there’s a lot of forged parts like the crank and connecting rods in the I4? Not sure about the V6? |
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04-21-2018, 11:37 PM | #31 |
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I could not afford an SS, or I would have an SS. When we test drove the 2.0, I expected it to be lousy, but to my surprise, it was as fast as I will ever need, and I love the Turbo Sound, as well as the way it handles. It basically looks just like an SS in my opinion anyway. Bonus is when I am not having fun, I can almost get 30 mpg in a beautiful looking car. Flaps
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04-22-2018, 12:04 AM | #32 |
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Are you saying that maybe a little pull from a traffic light the I4 would pull ahead of the V6? Does the V6 FEEL slower than the I4 until you hit high RPMs? I feel like i wouldn’t be wringing out the engine everyday. If this is the case, the I4 must feel better on a daily basis?
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04-22-2018, 12:52 AM | #33 |
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Damn you love that quote button given for doing your very thorough research.
To answer the V6 is high-end power stock for stock the I4 actually pulls pretty hard til 60 stock. So your daily driver feelings won't be hurt with the I4. The V6 will get the same gas mileage unless your in cruise control mode on the highway or on the backroads. An example of this is I went to CamaroFest 7 in Bowling Green, KY last year when I did my highway cruise at 74mph 99% of the time I got about 700mi. from a full tank and I was ECM tuned and full bolt-ons. On backroads I can average 35 to 37 mph with cruise control and no traffic. Now I don't often do that because let's face it i'm the guy who will light up people at a stop-light given the chance same on the highway, nothing like boost building then slamming the pedal down for wide open throttle i'm a sick mofo I know. So gas mileage is all in how you decide to drive. I average 24mpg with my more then spirited driving. I will say this part only once... Wether you choose the V6 or not don't use the shitty regular or 87 octane fuel it will cause knock and pull timing thus performance it's a fact and it will happen use premium regardless of your choice. As far as your forged internals... They are not your traditional aftermarket forged internals they are Factory Forged internals and they are only good til about 400whp so figure 450wtq with that as a complete guesstimate and then things start breaking. I feel the V6 is in this same boat again i'd ask Dustya he's the only one in those numbers on the V6. Again to exceed 400whp/450wtq you'd need to solve a few lingering issues obviously you'll need a bigger turbo those are easy to find. 1. Forged Internals (ZZP, Molnar, CP-Carillo, JE Etc.) All make Forged Rods and Pistons for the 2.0T LTG/I4. 2. Cooling - Upgrading your intercooler and piping is a must probably past 350whp. We have a few options direct fit with Mishimoto's OEM Location and ZZPs FMIC option. 3. Fuel - This can be corrected with several things but you will need a way to get more fuel then the stock system allows. We do not currently have a better HPFP - High Pressure Fuel Pump. The V6 is in this same boat as us with fueling. So correcting for a short list you could go with the ZL1 Low-Pressure-Fuel-Pump this has been confirmed to work and fit by Dustya in the V6 there is zero reason it wouldn't work in the I4. That will solve your problem with getting fuel from the tank next the engine area you can get a better cam ZZP has developed one and a few people are working on other cams and methods but your probably safest in getting Methanol Injection so you can adjust timing. 4. M6 if you get a manual your gonna wanna upgrade that clutch... So in case you ask this question if you decided to modify and tune your I4 Camaro. You have 2 options with a whole nother can of worms depending on your transmission choice. - 2016 I4/V6 Camaros A8 or M6: Will be easiest to tune nothing is locked in them i'll get to this below in t he next section. - 2017+ I4/V6 Camaros A8 or M6: GM Security locked the ECM/PCM and TCM in these cars so for M6 you will need to unlock your ECM/PCM and go from their it's not cheap... 4 Credits to Unlock 4 to Tune I think so find someone you trust. With the A8 your dumping even more money in you have the ECM/PCM let's stick with the 8 Credits for tht now you need to Tune your TCM seperately. To do so you need to physically remove your TCM - Transmission Control Module and send it to HPTuners to be unlocked costs $200. They will mail it back to you after that put it back in and go get tuned which is another 4 credits. So your tuner is going to use 12 credits just tuning your car. So M6 your out anywhere from 400 to 500 A8 your sinking 800 to 1k into it depending on how gracious your tuner is. One final mention is A8 Transmission Shudder. This is in all factory A8 Transmission I4, V6, V8 this is because GM are assholes sometimes and they put such high slip% limits that the transmission oil pressure will drop not only does that suck it can damage your torque converter the way around this is a transmission tune to zero out or adjust slip%'s to near nothing. GM has this Band-Aid flush TSB and it's exactly that a Band-Aid.
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04-22-2018, 02:27 AM | #34 | |
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The reason I mention this is because every side road filters onto the 55/60MPH main road through a stop sign. This means you’re always doing pulls to get onto the main road (cars come pretty quick, don’t want to slug around)... It sounds though the I4 will get off the line nice and hard if I let the clutch out a little higher (more boost) where as the V6 will be a little slower but reach higher speeds in each gear. Very very difficult decision. I don’t want to impulsively pick whatever the dealer shows me because I will be extremely stoked with both of them. |
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04-22-2018, 11:02 AM | #36 |
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People ran the LFX and LLT into the 460 to 500whp range without to much issue but there were quite a few internal engine parts that failed around those levels. I'm not saying it's gonna happen right off or ever but it's been documented as happening.
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Another interesting to note would be which stock 'configuration' feels quicker to accelerate. The 2.0T and 8-speed auto combination has the quickest acceleration feeling, thanks to more torque, less weight, and shorter gearing. Conversely, the V6 and 8-speed auto has the slowest acceleration feel for the opposite reasons (less torque, more weight, taller gears [2.77 vs 3.27]). Seems to be why a lot of people are going for the 2.0T as opposed to the V6, especially if they are shopping for an automatic; it feels quicker, despite being less powerful.
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04-22-2018, 09:50 PM | #39 |
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I wanted to add a few things after reading some of your responses. It's clear your leaning M6. It should be noted that M6 get's the added bonus of LSD, and a 225 mm ring gear. Even though I 100% suggest A8. I love slamming gears, but the paddle shift is an awesome compromise, considering how much faster the A8 really is. Also, Ive seen I4 vs V6 bone stock run multiple times..
80ish MPH is when the v6 starts creeping up, and eventually passes you before the 1/4 mile. (100-103mph ish) Hope that helps.
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04-23-2018, 10:10 AM | #41 |
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There is some shitty delay in the paddles to the transmission not sure if it can be tuned out. However I've personally noticed a lot less shift lag using the shifter over the paddles.
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04-23-2018, 10:42 AM | #42 |
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There is definitely some delay as Evil-B said. It is very time-able , and functions exactly the same every time though. Unfortunately the issue can not be resolved with tuning. The problem actually rests in the hardware used in the system, not the software.
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