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Old 12-11-2018, 09:35 PM   #141
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It appears there are similar reductions on Mustang’s side of town

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Ford changes result in shift reduction at Flat Rock Assembly Plant
Nov 28, 2018 Updated Dec 10, 2018

The Flat Rock Assembly Plant will see a reduction from two shifts to one shift, affecting 650 workers.

http://www.thenewsherald.com/news/fo...a19440969.html
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:26 PM   #142
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Al O. is the genie behind the latest generations of Camaro much better designed than what the Corvette engineering department was able to do beside the great design.
Great job Al, sorry to hear that you are moving out of the Camaro division. Great luck to you and hopefully to the Camaro under the new direction.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:38 AM   #143
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"Where does anyone gain from EV ?? over Gas ??"
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Like Emoto said, not one darn thing.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:32 AM   #144
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"Where does anyone gain from EV ?? over Gas ??"
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Like Emoto said, not one darn thing.
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:04 AM   #145
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I've already made the move to go EV, I daily drove my SS and let me say it was worth every penny switching. Tesla 3 Performance claims 450 HP 471 Torque, were as 16-19 SS is 455 HP 455 Torque.
Here few list i miss and compare
1. Exhaust sound
2. EV clearly wins on torque feel
3. Gas saving, those curious comparing price here a site i found https://www.solar-estimate.org/news/...charge-a-tesla
4. I miss those back fire sounds going down hill
5. Many more to list but its early, my brain can't function right now as its 3:10am



Overall, everyone has difference taste on vehicles. Drive whatever makes you happy and what you enjoy the most.
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:15 AM   #146
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LGR is running one shift at 33% capacity utilization. This is a death knell in the current environment. Big Al won’t say it but he’s abandoned a sinking ship for the future because, as much as he loves Camaro, he likes having a job even better.
That's completely understandable
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:15 AM   #147
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I'll just drop this right here.....

Porsche has outlined the technology that will underpin the forthcoming hybrid versions of its eighth-generation 911, according to an Autocar report. The new 992 generation 911 will be offered as both a mild hybrid and a full plug-in hybrid (PHEV) at some point in its lifecycle, with the latter being the first Porsche 911 to be able to run on electric power only. The outgoing head of the 911 model line, August Achleitner, has said that the experience that the company has gained from other models will go into the 911 hybrid range. He said, “We’ve taken the experience we gained with hybrid versions of the Cayenne and Panamera, as well as the 918 Spyder, and applied it to the new 911. In the future, this will allow us to offer it with pure-electric capability.” Porsche will incorporate a disc-shaped electric motor within the rear section of its eight-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox. The company has made a new gearset for the car that is 100mm shorter than the old one, which has allowed the integration of a hybrid drivetrain, while the 911’s eight-speed PDK gearbox has a higher torque rating of over 800Nm (500 lb/ft), which will allow the drivetrain to handle the higher torque ratings delivered by hybrid powertrains.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:00 AM   #148
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Ford seems committed to the Mustang.
https://www.mustang6g.com/ford-ceo-o...4-door-hybrid/

We shall see. My thought is the chopped top limited visibility, not just to the rear, and other things such as interior space and trunk opening is hurting the sales of C6. Sure hope the c7 is around and addresses some of the written concerns. Cad has the same issues. A friend of mine dumped his 2 yr 650 hp daily Cad because , just too tight in side...

The Stang is a compromise on such issues but seems to be better received. Following vintage muscle car sales, (I'm a GM guy, but close friends have original Boss/Snake 350s etc...) the mustangs have a bigger tighter following and better cared for original cars and a bigger parts support group/network...I think this translates into current Mustang sales. Some qtr milers are big on the 2019 A-10 stang…...just saying, maybe because Ford had one car the stang and GM spread folks over 4 brands and about 8-10 muscle car models?

and no EV among or crowd, "maybe" at gun point...must have a V-8
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:12 AM   #149
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Yes sir. I see the Camaro (and Mustang) taking a similar path, as long as it continues to exist. As I said in other posts, my prediction is the 7th gen will see a hybrid option and possibly a full EV option at its refresh. I think the 8th gen Camaro, if made, will be EV. I know for a fact that Team Mustang was exploring hybrid options as early as about 10 years ago, have to imagine Team Camaro was doing the same.
They were.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:31 AM   #150
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So EVs will be hard to see out of, overpriced, not advertised, and sell poorly?
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Old 12-12-2018, 09:25 AM   #151
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Don't worry, its already confirmed that there is a 7th gen, AND an 8th gen in the works.
Confirmed by whom? Even if they were confirmed, GM can pull the plug at any time. Take that new, exclusive 5.5L Turbo V8 that the CT6 was getting. The CT6 will cease production on 5/31/19 so this new highly touted engine will see production for maybe a couple of months, at most. For all we know, the rumors floating around that the 7th gen Camaro is already dead, could be true.

Like it or not, GM is going all in on EV and imo, that doesn't signal good things for our performance cars.
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:07 AM   #152
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IMO, I don't see a 8th gen Camaro. with how things are going currently with GM and this electrified war. I'm not sure. while an electrified Camaro might have the TQ, to me that's not a muscle car.
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:16 AM   #153
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Confirmed by whom? Even if they were confirmed, GM can pull the plug at any time. Take that new, exclusive 5.5L Turbo V8 that the CT6 was getting. The CT6 will cease production on 5/31/19 so this new highly touted engine will see production for maybe a couple of months, at most. For all we know, the rumors floating around that the 7th gen Camaro is already dead, could be true.

Like it or not, GM is going all in on EV and imo, that doesn't signal good things for our performance cars.
I have to agree. GM is at a crossroad and cutting bait in other areas. Given how poorly the 19 refresh was received, I wouldn't be surprised if they did here also.

2021 is long time to ride it out waiting for the introduction of the CT5 and gen7 ...just to hope for a better reception. The Blazer was rumored for Lansing Delta and they sent it to Mexico so they aren't exactly consolidating into the Lansing area.
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:29 AM   #154
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I have to agree. GM is at a crossroad and cutting bait in other areas. Given how poorly the 19 refresh was received, I wouldn't be surprised if they did here also.

2021 is long time to ride it out waiting for the introduction of the CT5 and gen7 ...just to hope for a better reception. The Blazer was rumored for Lansing Delta and they sent it to Mexico so they aren't exactly consolidating into the Lansing area.
Totally pissed that they sent the Blazer to be made in Mexico. I might have bought one for my wife, but not so sure now....
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