[OneSlowV]

Problem with the 2018 and newer mt82 is trans gearing new ratios make the car slow even with 3.73s . If you look at what they run at the track it’s subpar most trap around 112mph even a bolt on dragpack car struggled and only went mid 12s @115 . They need need gears bad .

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by OneSlowV

Problem with the 2018 and newer mt82 is trans gearing new ratios make the car slow even with 3.73s . If you look at what they run at the track it’s subpar most trap around 112mph even a bolt on dragpack car struggled and only went mid 12s @115 . They need need gears bad .

Funny the old 15 to 17 cars pulled harder due to the gearing but all of that shifting made them slow too. The new ones are a little faster but nowhere near as much as they should have been. They need to find a happy medium gearing for the car.

Though the gt350 has tighter gearing more reminiscent of the 15 to 17 cars and it's not very fast in the 1/4 for a 526hp car. I think that long m6 gearing in general benefits from hight torque engines like pushrod or most supercharged cars.

Having said that I think the new cars long gearing is better when you go with boost vs the extremely busy shifting older mt82 cars.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Balzdeep

I have owned both and if you strokers feel better about yourself bashing Ford vs Chevy have fun. . In 15 years it will all probably be electric. Good times.

Truth on the electric cars and the end of our brand bickering.. and while I feel the gen 3 fauilures are largely over magnified by a lot of the youtubers that brought attention to it, there have been many documented cases not on YouTube.

Yours has turned out great and thats great, but that's not been the case for everyone. Next you'll tell us how strong the mt82s shift forks are lol..... though I do think the 18s shift fork issues have been addressed in the 19+ cars to some degree.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by RageWorx

2nd Gen Coyotes are actually the most reliable out of the 3 gens especially under boost (didn't say they make the most power that's the 3rd Gen by a good amount but not the most reliable gen).

-Jon

Yep gen 2 is master race... so far, seems the gen 3s are making better power, and if the quality control on the newer engines keeps improving it could take the gen 2 off the mantle.

[Bwaahhh]

I owned a 2015 Mustang GT PP for 2 years. I have put 4000 miles on my 2019 1LE. I loved the Mustang, although it had its quirks, but I love the Camaro more.



I don't think the 2015 PP is a direct comparison to the 1LE in the slightest. More fair would be a GT350 or PP2 but they did not have the PP2 in 2015 and the GT350 markup was crazy. My 2015 was very floaty at high speeds. For as much as people rag on the MT82, I didn't mind it too much. Crunched a little when cold but felt solid.



I will say the 1LE handling is a world apart as well as the Tremec though. On track, they don't compare IMO either. I really liked the Coyote 5.0 though, it had a lot of character and with some Roush Axle Backs - i'll say it - sounded better than my 1LE. I love the NPP but it isn't quite loud enough for me. I prefer the interior of the 1LE, less chrome and 0 silly gauges/toggle switches.



The Mustang was first year of the S550 2015 - mine had electrical gremlins and would die after you filled up gas and put the car in neutral. Ford couldn't figure it out, I ended up trading it in for a 2018 Focus ST.


Both the Mustang and Camaro are phenomenal cars. I think for the money and performance, Camaro is where its at - and that's why I am here. However, people shouldn't rag on one or the other. The new PP2 cars look great and I would love to own a GT350 - but you see a lot of the "cheaper" ones have engine replaced under warranty...2016/2017 I believe. Not as common anymore I think maybe Ford addressed the issues with the Voodoo. I'll see how the Camaro does once I put on a lot more wear and tear - but so far it feels super solid.

[Modernmusclecar]

Originally Posted by Balzdeep

Oh your one of those “Boobtubers”. Thank you we are done. Cannot help morons. Good luck. .

Youre pretty funny. My buddies are in a local Mustang club mostly 17 to 19 Gts. Guess what? Many are having issues not only with the motor but the trans also. A few have gotten rid if the cars alltogether. I should mention my neighbour's 2018 F 150 5.0 with a new motor at 4 k. But I won't mention my co worker with a 2017 Gt 350. Guess where it is? At the Ford dealer getting a new motor sourced for it that blew last . I will tell him how things are just overblown...for him and others its just blown.

[WhiteMale]

Originally Posted by Bwaahhh

I owned a 2015 Mustang GT PP for 2 years. I have put 4000 miles on my 2019 1LE. I loved the Mustang, although it had its quirks, but I love the Camaro more.



I don't think the 2015 PP is a direct comparison to the 1LE in the slightest. More fair would be a GT350 or PP2 but they did not have the PP2 in 2015 and the GT350 markup was crazy. My 2015 was very floaty at high speeds. For as much as people rag on the MT82, I didn't mind it too much. Crunched a little when cold but felt solid.



I will say the 1LE handling is a world apart as well as the Tremec though. On track, they don't compare IMO either. I really liked the Coyote 5.0 though, it had a lot of character and with some Roush Axle Backs - i'll say it - sounded better than my 1LE. I love the NPP but it isn't quite loud enough for me. I prefer the interior of the 1LE, less chrome and 0 silly gauges/toggle switches.



The Mustang was first year of the S550 2015 - mine had electrical gremlins and would die after you filled up gas and put the car in neutral. Ford couldn't figure it out, I ended up trading it in for a 2018 Focus ST.


Both the Mustang and Camaro are phenomenal cars. I think for the money and performance, Camaro is where its at - and that's why I am here. However, people shouldn't rag on one or the other. The new PP2 cars look great and I would love to own a GT350 - but you see a lot of the "cheaper" ones have engine replaced under warranty...2016/2017 I believe. Not as common anymore I think maybe Ford addressed the issues with the Voodoo. I'll see how the Camaro does once I put on a lot more wear and tear - but so far it feels super solid.

I'd second most everything here. I had a 15 GT/PP and after I invested about a Grand in Steeda parts for the rear IRS, it was quite a different car. Spun it out a few times, that IRS setup as Ford has it is (was) garbage for wheel hop.

The only *problem* I had with my car was the trunk wiring harness got frayed/broken and fragged the backup camera especially.

[Staves]

Had a '19 GT manual. Stock exhaust sounded great. I enjoyed the car but mine had that the 2nd gear "grind" that was getting more pronounced the longer I owned it. I don't know if it was an actual "issue" or not but it didn't sound good. Other negatives: disappointing dash rattle well early into ownership, could never get truly comfortable in the seats, the 5.0 revs kinda slow. But the car has its charms and if not for the 2nd gear grind and the Mustang rebate for the Camaro, I would have kept it. But I do like my SS better in every category except visibility.

[Thill444]

Just to throw my two cents...

I test drove a 18 PP1/manual and was just not impressed. Nice car, but I just didn't love the handling feel, gearbox, etc. It didn't feel as direct as I would have hoped and just overall felt a little soft and sloppy.

To make matters worse I test drove a GT350 and loved it. It addressed all my complaints on the PP1 and I knew it had the coolers and other bits to make it great for street and track.

Prices were nuts so I waited. Ended up test driving a 19 PP1 back to back again and pulled the trigger on a barely used GT350 in Nov in Rhode Island with snow on the ground. Got a great deal.

To add to this, I had previously owned a C7/Z51/magride but needed the backseat option as I sometimes have to grab kids. The C7 made it impossible. And I did drive test drive several Gen6 Camaros (2SS, ZLE). The ZLE was just not for me and I really liked the 2SS (magride) but the dealer wanted way too much and I preferred the Mustang ergonomics.

Fast forward and the price of my GT350 went way up this summer (buy low sell high). I went back and test drove an SS1LE this time and I knew it was a done deal. It's amazing that GM gives you this much performance at such a low price. With the low end torque the car fit my lifestyle choice better (I do 90% city driving only 10% highway where you can rev out the GT350 more).

To me, it seems like the Mach1 is really the performance Mustang (not counting GT350) that Ford really should have offered from the beginning. Will be interesting to see the cost and how it stacks up against the SS1LE. I was able to get my SS1LE (2020) for $43K and change out the door. Which is crazy for what you get.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Modernmusclecar

Youre pretty funny. My buddies are in a local Mustang club mostly 17 to 19 Gts. Guess what? Many are having issues not only with the motor but the trans also. A few have gotten rid if the cars alltogether. I should mention my neighbour's 2018 F 150 5.0 with a new motor at 4 k. But I won't mention my co worker with a 2017 Gt 350. Guess where it is? At the Ford dealer getting a new motor sourced for it that blew last . I will tell him how things are just overblown...for him and others its just blown.

I just procharged my 19 GT, fingers crossed that my engine and trans hold. I did give it about a year and so far it's been rock solid.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I just procharged my 19 GT, fingers crossed that my engine and trans hold. I did give it about a year and so far it's been rock solid.

How much boost are you using? How's it running?

[ParisTNDude]

I think the newer Mustangs are ok. I drove a new Bullitt a few months ago and, trust me, it was tempting, only because it was a new reasonably good car rather than "better than my Camaro". Some of the things you read from others about the Camaro's built in faults become strikingly clear when you drive something else like the Mustang. I wonder if Ford ever fixed their "made in China" manual transmission problems?

Since then, I supercharged my Camaro and now I find renewed joy in this awesome car. I think it must be very close to the ZL1 in straight line performance now and it certainly is addicting! Anyway, when I think that we in America have three good options for reasonably priced performance cars in the Dodge, GM and Ford arena...be thankful they're all made in the USA (for the most part).

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

How much boost are you using? How's it running?

It's running great so far and install was fairly easy, bout a days worth of work. Standard p1x and stage 2 intercooler kit running a 4.25 pulley at about 8.5psi on pump gas, nothing too crazy but feels like a rocket ship compared to before.

We had a tuning hiccup when it was installed on Saturday so I had to wait until Monday to get it resolved. Besides that, all went well.

[shogun37]

Own 2 Mustangs ('19) one EB+PP, one GT+PP1 with extensive suspension and chassis fixes. And the SS1LE. The 1LE is effortless to drive fast and hard. Chassis is just good. The GT350 suffers from all the maladies that it shares with the $28,000 ecoboost. The '19/20 revisions to knuckles etc were nice but did nothing to improve the rubbery mess that is the chassis.

The magneride tuning in the SS/1LE vs the GT350 is no contest. The Ford is sub-par. GM really knows how to build a chassis and do suspension. I don't know what Ford is playing at, frankly.

The GT is now not 'comfort' driving but handles really well if still a bit much on the front spring rate. But it cost $2000 in parts and another easy $1300 in labor to get it there.

I got the 1LE new for 16% off MSRP and aside from putting 19" wheels on and an engine tune from Unleashed Tuning to clean it up, is unmolested and drives so nice. The 1LE is a total bargain.

The upcoming Mach 1 with all of the GT350 coolers will *finally* be a head to head match up with the 1LE. But I expect it'll be an easy $4000 more than GM and yet STILL won't have fixed all the chassis and bushing warts. And the fixes don't make the car noisy which is the excuse de jour. Ford is just lazy and unimaginative. It's a Mustang for Pete's sake, not an Accord.