[laynlo15]

Intake temps on mine are not high at all. Magnuson has worked hard to make sure you keep your temps down and since you've had your Maggie on your gen 5 things have changed on the Gen 6 for better cooling and lower intake temps.

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Originally Posted by Intimidator

I researched everything that I could about gains, reliability, and driveability. I also talked with Ben and a couple other Builders.
My build with be with a 2.9 Whipple.

Amen to that!! These damn Mustang with with Whipples are killing everyone out on the street.

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

Normally I would agree but according to independent testing if they arent lying..


The new rotors are still a 4-lobe design but now have 170 degrees of twist compared to 160 degrees on the 2300 model. The extra twist shortens the rotor lead to help maintain efficiency at higher speeds and pressure ratios. Other features include larger bearings, thicker timing gears and pressure relief ports in the bearing plate to help reduce friction. Initial testing by Edelbrock shows the 2650 can outperform competitive 2.9-liter superchargers.

Theoretically a Twin-Screw will out perform a Roots Style PSI-PSI “displacement to displacement.”

You could not go wrong with any upgrade!!


Copy and pasted from my other post.


Shelby, Ford- AMG R/D w/ lysolm Superchargers. They are expensive & GM is not a fan due to cost. Twin-Screw operating temperatures are lower than a roots type system & I have seen side by side demonstrations @ SEMA. Twin screw is compressed within the blower & Eaton is compressed within the inlet manifold. That is where the Eaton efficiency is lost. Eaton system will be more than the Whipple when it is released, makes no sense.
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[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by alssiri

Cooling is the main factor here , it reaches +45C overhere in summer, so let's talk about the cooling advantages from these .
The Edelbrock have a larger cooling brick compared to the Maggie & Whipple, which one is capable of lowering iat more ?
The bypass valve designe is different in the three , Magie & Whipple is on the outside but Edelbrock has it inside the unit , I don't know what difference does it make

Ahmad

113 with no humidity is fine you ought get a alcohol mist system for the heat exchanger or even water.. in Houston its 100 with 90% humidity. its 10x harder to dissipate heat in humidity when air is the cooling agent!



I don't think I have seen the bricks in a 2650 maggi yet... I know the GM 2650 on the ZR1 are just like the 1.7lt4 2x long and skinny..

Redline screwed up in my opinion of course the customer paid for the eforce 2650 or most of it.. Only way to know for sure is to test on a stock Zl1 see which makes the most power when the fuel system is maxed out!

[alssiri]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

113 with no humidity is fine you ought get a alcohol mist system for the heat exchanger or even water.. in Houston its 100 with 90% humidity. its 10x harder to dissipate heat in humidity when air is the cooling agent!



I don't think I have seen the bricks in a 2650 maggi yet... I know the GM 2650 on the ZR1 are just like the 1.7lt4 2x long and skinny..

Redline screwed up in my opinion of course the customer paid for the eforce 2650 or most of it.. Only way to know for sure is to test on a stock Zl1 see which makes the most power when the fuel system is maxed out!

It was 53C yesterday with 90% humidity
I know the Maggie 2650 isn't out yet that's why I was leaning towards the Edelbrock cause of availability & cooling & Edelbrock provides you with OEM like components. I will use meth if needed in the future.

Ahmad

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

113 with no humidity is fine you ought get a alcohol mist system for the heat exchanger or even water.. in Houston its 100 with 90% humidity. its 10x harder to dissipate heat in humidity when air is the cooling agent!



I don't think I have seen the bricks in a 2650 maggi yet... I know the GM 2650 on the ZR1 are just like the 1.7lt4 2x long and skinny..

Redline screwed up in my opinion of course the customer paid for the eforce 2650 or most of it.. Only way to know for sure is to test on a stock Zl1 see which makes the most power when the fuel system is maxed out!

Preach. I've had it with the top mount blowers honestly. The Maggie does look good and I think the Whip is fine as long as you can keep temps down. I literally have 1 good pull in my car, then it flat lines and I'm done for the night. Maybe 2 pulls. That all changes today tho. If I could keep IAT's down 30 degrees, I'd be fine and can run this set up all day and night without it flat lining, but tis living in Houston. I'm running E85, Weapon X HX system and 3 nozzle meth set up and it's still getting toasted. haha.

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Preach. I've had it with the top mount blowers honestly. The Maggie does look good and I think the Whip is fine as long as you can keep temps down. I literally have 1 good pull in my car, then it flat lines and I'm done for the night. Maybe 2 pulls. That all changes today tho. If I could keep IAT's down 30 degrees, I'd be fine and can run this set up all day and night without it flat lining, but tis living in Houston. I'm running E85, Weapon X HX system and 3 nozzle meth set up and it's still getting toasted. haha.

I told you a long time ago don't dump all that money into a baby blower your pullied on top and on bottom. it's generating to much heat and will never move the amount of air it needs..

You can't compare your 1.7 to a 2.9 or the new 2650..

The 1.7 on its best day with perfect circumstances (blower porting, TB, Pulleys, ported heads, cam weapon X exchangers) with e85 and meth makes 800 whp... the whipple and 2650 will come close to 800 w 93 octane setup the same way..

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I told you a long time ago don't dump all that money into a baby blower your pullied on top and on bottom. it's generating to much heat and will never move the amount of air it needs..

You can't compare your 1.7 to a 2.9 or the new 2650..

The 1.7 on its best day with perfect circumstances (blower porting, TB, Pulleys, ported heads, cam weapon X exchangers) with e85 and meth makes 800 whp... the whipple and 2650 will come close to 800 w 93 octane setup the same way..

It's okay. I made out. Sold my set up for $7k so. It's up at Sorians getting the F1aA-94 treatment.



The problem was I went to far with that blower. I could of been happy with just 750 HP on a stock upper pulley and had zero heat soak, but noooooooooooo. I had to keep going. haha. I'm still not going to be finished. Once I get this new power down, we are gonna pull the motor and have LME build it, hopefully pushing me to around the 1500 mark. Then, I'll be done.

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I want there number I have some ocean front property!

[alssiri]

Finally decided & ordered the 2.9 whipple.
waiting

Ahmad

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Originally Posted by onelfastlride

Having an 03' Cobra that had a Kenne Bell and having a 13' GT500.

In the mustang world the Whipple blowers have always been seen by some as second choice to a Kenne Bell and thought to be not as efficient. And with the 13-14' GT500 with a 2.3L TVS most people won't even consider a 2.9L Whipple because it has been proven time and time again that the 2.9L size increase isn't enough to make up for the lack of Whipple efficiency to out power the 2.3L TVS for the $$. The newer Eaton TVS technology has proven reliable and to make power.

Proof is VMP selling TVS technology blowers and guys buying those instead of Whipple or Kenne Bell and running as fast or faster. Roush / Ford use the TVS blower and warranty them. My 13' makes over 800 rwhp with a little more left in the stock 2.3 TVS. A friend makes 895 rwhp with same mods but the addition of cams. The blower has more in it, the cams are the restriction for me at this point.

* **. All that said, the latest Whipple Gen 3 has been seen to be worth the power to swap a TVS blower for a similar sized Whipple, question is $.

I think you have that backwards, the Kenne Bell was looked as the second choice blower. With Shelby the Whipple is a upgrade & cost additional $. The Kenny Bell is standard with Shelby.


I owned a 2004 SVT Cobra 2.3L Whipple and a 2008 & 2011 GT500. Been part of that crowd.

[Boost or bust]

I have been waiting and watching Edelbrock/magnuson/Whipple. Whoever receives a CARB ( California Air Resources Board) approval gets my business. I can then up the power from there without fear. I am excited to see Edelbrock jump into the upgrade game, I fear with so few ZL1’s might not be economical for them to make the kit smog legal. Repeated calls to Whipple and I am told they are waiting form CARB approval. Magnuson intends to get approval. So, a waiting game for me. In the meantime, e85 and a tune will have to do.

[JDP Sales]

We have a a lot of success with the Magnuson supercharger! If you'd like i can get you a quote and send it out to you.

Best regards,
Antonio
Antonio@jdpmotosports.com

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by alssiri

Finally decided & ordered the 2.9 whipple.
waiting

Ahmad

Me too